Was Kate McCanns "f.....g tosser" comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive?

[Lyall]

   
Apparently obtuseness is infectious.
You obviously have a little box for the 'stupid' files just as Paiva had for the 'irrelevant' ones.

Answer ze question

[stephen25000]

I don't feel the need to post in another place then quote myself and add plaudits on a properly moderated forum.

Although it may be an allegedly  free country ... sensible people expect book reviewers to have at least read the book ... and if others do not wish their intelligence to be insulted by joining nincompoops in arguing the toss on a chat line which tolerates such dishonesty ... that is entirely up to them ... not you.

Is there any reason why you appear unable to stick to the theme of a thread??

I am quite able to stick to a theme.

However, you try to bend threads to reflect your total bias to the mccanns.

You aren't fooling anyone on that by the way, in pretending to be open to alternative viewpoints.

As to amazon, the lack of McCann supporters on there merely reflects in the weakness of your and their positions on this case.

[Mr Gray]

I am quite able to stick to a theme.

However, you try to bend threads to reflect your total bias to the mccanns.

You aren't fooling anyone on that by the way, in pretending to be open to alternative viewpoints.

As to amazon, the lack of McCann supporters on there merely reflects in the weakness of your and their positions on this case.

amazon..the lack of any body on there.... one thread and 5 posters for the last 11 months

[G-Unit]

Hmmm ... wonder if you would mind terribly asking your fellow poster for a cite ...    probably not, cites aren't really your thing.

The McCanns were not impressed by the story. This was on the Find Madeleine website, but it's not there now.


Statement March 5th 2010

Events this week have yet again been incomprehensible and particularly upsetting.

On Tuesday, the Public Prosecutor in Portugal released a large number of documents (relating to the investigation to find our daughter Madeleine) to the British Media, following their request for access. Disclosing such information publicly greatly jeopardises the search for Madeleine and puts witnesses and innocent members of the general public at risk (as well as causing them great anxiety). Release and publication of information in this manner also potentially compromises future investigations. It is difficult to see how anyone benefits from this week's actions.

It is imperative that the Authorities take responsibility for sensitive and confidential information. We, together with the general public, need assurances that this will not be allowed to happen again. Equally, we need absolute assurances that all credible information and leads will be investigated.

We also urge each individual working for the media to consider their own personal responsibility - to put commercial interests aside occasionally and to bear in mind the potential consequences of their actions, especially when people's lives and well-being are at risk.

Our own investigators have acted professionally and with complete integrity. We are eager to encourage anybody who has any information which may relate to Madeleine's abduction to contact our investigation team directly by phone (0845 838 4699 or 800 814 028), by email (http://www.investigation@findmadeleine.com/) or via the P.O box address given on the website. Information may be given anonymously via each route.

We are incredibly grateful to all those who continue to support us in our search for Madeleine. During weeks such as these, it is invaluable to know that we are not facing this difficult journey alone

[Mr Gray]

it seems my post to faith has been removed... I was just expressing concern for a fellow poster wellbeing. Anyone suffering from depression and anxiety should not spend time on forums engaging in nasty argumnets...it will make there condition worse

[Admin]

it seems my post to faith has been removed... I was just expressing concern for a fellow poster wellbeing. Anyone suffering from depression and anxiety should not spend time on forums engaging in nasty argumnets...it will make there condition worse

Members are reminded that abusive and insulting posts will attract a penalty followed by suspension.

Be warned!

[jassi]

The McCanns were not impressed by the story. This was on the Find Madeleine website, but it's not there now.


Statement March 5th 2010

Events this week have yet again been incomprehensible and particularly upsetting.

On Tuesday, the Public Prosecutor in Portugal released a large number of documents (relating to the investigation to find our daughter Madeleine) to the British Media, following their request for access. Disclosing such information publicly greatly jeopardises the search for Madeleine and puts witnesses and innocent members of the general public at risk (as well as causing them great anxiety). Release and publication of information in this manner also potentially compromises future investigations. It is difficult to see how anyone benefits from this week's actions.

It is imperative that the Authorities take responsibility for sensitive and confidential information. We, together with the general public, need assurances that this will not be allowed to happen again. Equally, we need absolute assurances that all credible information and leads will be investigated.

We also urge each individual working for the media to consider their own personal responsibility - to put commercial interests aside occasionally and to bear in mind the potential consequences of their actions, especially when people's lives and well-being are at risk.

Our own investigators have acted professionally and with complete integrity. We are eager to encourage anybody who has any information which may relate to Madeleine's abduction to contact our investigation team directly by phone (0845 838 4699 or 800 814 028), by email (http://www.investigation@findmadeleine.com/) or via the P.O box address given on the website. Information may be given anonymously via each route.

We are incredibly grateful to all those who continue to support us in our search for Madeleine. During weeks such as these, it is invaluable to know that we are not facing this difficult journey alone

Hadn't seen that before. Just goes to show the impossility of removing something once posted on the internet.

Certainly gives the impression that they were less than happy about the release of the information into the public domain.

[G-Unit]

Hadn't seen that before. Just goes to show the impossility of removing something once posted on the internet.

Certainly gives the impression that they were less than happy about the release of the information into the public domain.

CCTV Pictures of a family in New Zealand were printed. Totally beyond the pale, so they had to distance themselves from the newspaper's actions.

[Brietta]

I am quite able to stick to a theme.

However, you try to bend threads to reflect your total bias to the mccanns.

You aren't fooling anyone on that by the way, in pretending to be open to alternative viewpoints.

As to amazon, the lack of McCann supporters on there merely reflects in the weakness of your and their positions on this case.

What in your opinion is the case, Stephen?

The search for Madeleine McCann which some think is a worthwhile exercise?  Or is it hounding her parents which some seem to think takes precedence over a missing child and is far more fun?

Whatever gave you the notion that I am open to vile viewpoints from those whose only view is a myopic and malevolent one?

Your insistence that we all troop over and post on Amazon could be considered another manifestation of your unimaginative outlook.  Please desist, you are at risk of making yourself appear ridiculous and obsessive.

Are you on commission or something??

Now as I was saying somewhere ... the pejorative concentration on two words which when taken in context are perfectly understandable is rendered risible when it is realised the justification for outrage is the identity of the person who (did not) utter them.

[faithlilly]

Please desist, you are at risk of making yourself appear ridiculous and obsessive.

* VERY, VERY LOUD IRONY KLAXON *   

[Carana]

Hadn't seen that before. Just goes to show the impossility of removing something once posted on the internet.

Certainly gives the impression that they were less than happy about the release of the information into the public domain.

Statement March 5th 2010

What was going on at that time?

[DCI]

The McCanns were not impressed by the story. This was on the Find Madeleine website, but it's not there now.


Statement March 5th 2010

Events this week have yet again been incomprehensible and particularly upsetting.

On Tuesday, the Public Prosecutor in Portugal released a large number of documents (relating to the investigation to find our daughter Madeleine) to the British Media, following their request for access. Disclosing such information publicly greatly jeopardises the search for Madeleine and puts witnesses and innocent members of the general public at risk (as well as causing them great anxiety). Release and publication of information in this manner also potentially compromises future investigations. It is difficult to see how anyone benefits from this week's actions.

It is imperative that the Authorities take responsibility for sensitive and confidential information. We, together with the general public, need assurances that this will not be allowed to happen again. Equally, we need absolute assurances that all credible information and leads will be investigated.

We also urge each individual working for the media to consider their own personal responsibility - to put commercial interests aside occasionally and to bear in mind the potential consequences of their actions, especially when people's lives and well-being are at risk.

Our own investigators have acted professionally and with complete integrity. We are eager to encourage anybody who has any information which may relate to Madeleine's abduction to contact our investigation team directly by phone (0845 838 4699 or 800 814 028), by email (http://www.investigation@findmadeleine.com/) or via the P.O box address given on the website. Information may be given anonymously via each route.

We are incredibly grateful to all those who continue to support us in our search for Madeleine. During weeks such as these, it is invaluable to know that we are not facing this difficult journey alone

Amarals answer to it, was,
Thanks to Astro for translation

What is happening "is propaganda", given that "nobody is looking for the little girl, neither here nor there (in England)". These words are from former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, who sees the criticism from the McCann couple and from the English press against the Portuguese investigation as pure "folklore".

"These sightings, that are being talked about, almost always came from the English police, if they are so important, as some people are saying now, why weren't they investigated by Scotland Yard? After all, the little girl is a British citizen," the author of the book "The Truth of the Lie", based on the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, in 2007, recalls.

"The important things is not going around talking about sightings, saying that the little girl was seen here and there, the important thing is to reopen the process. The truth is that after I left Portimão, nothing more was done, the process was archived by the Public Ministry half way through, many diligences remained to be carried out, and that is what not allows for all sort of speculation," the former inspector told 24horas.

"The process was possibly archived half way through because the State was afraid of (the McCanns') demands for compensation. That fear was also transmitted to us by our colleagues, the English policemen, who used to say that it was a very common thing in England," Gonçalo Amaral recalled.

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, has a very different opinion about the evolution of the Maddie case. For her, "it is shocking and sad" that the leads that are now being publicly revealed "were not handed over to the parents". The revelation of that information is also criticised by Isabel Duarte, because "it puts the little girl's safety at risk".

[Brietta]

Amarals answer to it, was,
Thanks to Astro for translation

What is happening "is propaganda", given that "nobody is looking for the little girl, neither here nor there (in England)". These words are from former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, who sees the criticism from the McCann couple and from the English press against the Portuguese investigation as pure "folklore".

"These sightings, that are being talked about, almost always came from the English police, if they are so important, as some people are saying now, why weren't they investigated by Scotland Yard? After all, the little girl is a British citizen," the author of the book "The Truth of the Lie", based on the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, in 2007, recalls.

"The important things is not going around talking about sightings, saying that the little girl was seen here and there, the important thing is to reopen the process. The truth is that after I left Portimão, nothing more was done, the process was archived by the Public Ministry half way through, many diligences remained to be carried out, and that is what not allows for all sort of speculation," the former inspector told 24horas.

"The process was possibly archived half way through because the State was afraid of (the McCanns') demands for compensation. That fear was also transmitted to us by our colleagues, the English policemen, who used to say that it was a very common thing in England," Gonçalo Amaral recalled.

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, has a very different opinion about the evolution of the Maddie case. For her, "it is shocking and sad" that the leads that are now being publicly revealed "were not handed over to the parents". The revelation of that information is also criticised by Isabel Duarte, because "it puts the little girl's safety at risk".

Forewarned is forearmed and the people who could very well have profited from the release of this information are the perpetrators of the crime against Madeleine.

The timing is interesting.

The Drs McCann had met with the Home Secretary to plead for a review into Madeleine's case.
Alan Johnston the Home Secretary was sympathetic to such a review.
Talks were taking place with the Portuguese.
Guilhermino Encarnacao, head of the PJ and a firm believer that Madeleine was dead had died.
The disgraceful disclosure that Ricardo Paiva had not been investigating information sent to the PJ added pressure.

[stephen25000]

What in your opinion is the case, Stephen?

The search for Madeleine McCann which some think is a worthwhile exercise?  Or is it hounding her parents which some seem to think takes precedence over a missing child and is far more fun?

Whatever gave you the notion that I am open to vile viewpoints from those whose only view is a myopic and malevolent one?

Your insistence that we all troop over and post on Amazon could be considered another manifestation of your unimaginative outlook.  Please desist, you are at risk of making yourself appear ridiculous and obsessive.

Are you on commission or something??

Now as I was saying somewhere ... the pejorative concentration on two words which when taken in context are perfectly understandable is rendered risible when it is realised the justification for outrage is the identity of the person who (did not) utter them.

My opinion is well known as to what happened to Madeleine.

I view the investigation to be a waste of time, as it has proved to be.

You are clearly obsessive in your support of the mccanns and abduction, when there is not one iota of evidence to support that.

As to the other forum, my point has been well made.

'Whatever gave you the not ion that I am open to vile viewpoints from those whose only view is a myopic and malevolent one? '

..........and that statement really does reveal your mindset.

 Unfortunately for you, real people, who are perfectly normal, socially and emotionally , don't believe the mccanns.

[Mr Gray]

SY have spent 10 million pounds investigating an abduction...they are the professionals..