Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[G-Unit]

It isn't logical...it's stupid...just as we can't be sure Maddie was not the victim of an alien abduction which according to the Hall the video maker ...beloved of the sceptics ..is a regular event

We know that various people were in G5A, and the hairs analysed confirmed that. Why didn't expect Jane Tanner to be in Burgeau, but the exact same test suggests that she could have been there. If that test's unreliable, we can't rely on any of the tests.

[Mr Gray]

We know that various people were in G5A, and the hairs analysed confirmed that. Why didn't expect Jane Tanner to be in Burgeau, but the exact same test suggests that she could have been there. If that test's unreliable, we can't rely on any of the tests.

you are getting confused with DNA and mitochondrial DNA haplotypes...not surprising...it's a complex area

[Alice Purjorick]

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

[G-Unit]

you are getting confused with DNA and mitochondrial DNA haplotypes...not surprising...it's a complex area

I'm not confused at all. Tests carried out on hairs found suggested that Kate and Gerald McCann, David Payne, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and a few others were in G5A.

The exact same tests suggested that Robert Murat and Jane Tanner were in the apartment in Burgeau.

[Mr Gray]

I'm not confused at all. Tests carried out on hairs found suggested that Kate and Gerald McCann, David Payne, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and a few others were in G5A.

The exact same tests suggested that Robert Murat and Jane Tanner were in the apartment in Burgeau.

I think you are totally confused....it isn't suggested these people were in 5A ..they were

[G-Unit]

I think you are totally confused....it isn't suggested these people were in 5A ..they were

Yes, we know they were. They were seen. Was Robert Murat in the Burgeau apartment then?

[John]

According to Gordon Rayner in his constantly updated article in the Telegraph;

To date, however, not one shred of proof of what happened to Madeleine has been unearthed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html

Is he right?

Totally correct. We are no closer to knowing the truth because no evidence or proof has ever been provided to support the basic allegation that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger.

[Wonderfulspam]

The British Media are privy to some hard evidence which we are not.

'British Police Stupid, Parents Murdered Maddie', so said a graffiti artist.

According to the Sun, and various other rags, this is an untrue smear.

So, The Sun has hard evidence that proves Kate & Gerry didn't murder Maddie.

I wonder what it is?

Why don't they just tell us?

[G-Unit]

The British Media are privy to some hard evidence which we are not.

'British Police Stupid, Parents Murdered Maddie', so said a graffiti artist.

According to the Sun, and various other rags, this is an untrue smear.

So, The Sun has hard evidence that proves Kate & Gerry didn't murder Maddie.

I wonder what it is?

Why don't they just tell us?

 

[stephen25000]

Well let's face it the UK tabloids/rags are the founts of the truth and accurate and truthful journalism.

[slartibartfast]

pinched from another forum.  No doubt you'll find fault with the explanation:

Evidence is a fact or situation that suggests something might be true. Proof is a fact or situation that removes all doubt. Sometimes more than one evidence can add up to proof.

No, that's fine, shows that the dog alerts were evidence.

[Mr Gray]

No, that's fine, shows that the dog alerts were evidence.

That's an interesting point which I'm surprised no one has picked up before....Grime is referring to evidence as "that which would be accepted by a court".

[G-Unit]

The McCanns deleted their text messages and call histories on their mobile phones on 3rd May. From 4th May they had at least one other mobile phone organised by David Payne. David Payne phoned the Specialist Crime Directorate at 23.15 on 3rd May.

[Carana]

We know that various people were in G5A, and the hairs analysed confirmed that. Why didn't expect Jane Tanner to be in Burgeau, but the exact same test suggests that she could have been there. If that test's unreliable, we can't rely on any of the tests.

It's not so much that the forensic mtDNA tests are unreliable, but that the results don't identify a specific individual. People with different maternal lines can share the same haplotype. Kate / the children and a cop (JMBR) have the same haplotype; Michaela and Luis Filipe Monteiro Ferro (LFMF) share a different one. In the case of JT, for example, there were 8 separate maternal lines showing an identical haplotype in the EMPOP database.

Two people, presumably cops, didn't leave any hair.

Of more interest perhaps concerning 5A are the haplotypes found which don't correspond to anyone identified as having been in there. They may correspond to previous occupants, of course, but perhaps not.

[G-Unit]

It's not so much that the forensic mtDNA tests are unreliable, but that the results don't identify a specific individual. People with different maternal lines can share the same haplotype. Kate / the children and a cop (JMBR) have the same haplotype; Michaela and Luis Filipe Monteiro Ferro (LFMF) share a different one. In the case of JT, for example, there were 8 separate maternal lines showing an identical haplotype in the EMPOP database.

Two people, presumably cops, didn't leave any hair.

Of more interest perhaps concerning 5A are the haplotypes found which don't correspond to anyone identified as having been in there. They may correspond to previous occupants, of course, but perhaps not.

The haplotypes from unknown people won't prove anything though, they will merely be an indication that someone may have been there, just as the Burgau hairs indicate that Jane Tanner may have been there.