Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Lace]

Hard evidence.

There were people, watching the McCann apartment.

There were people collecting for a bogus charity,   one witness said the man was very interested in her child.

Madeleine is missing.

The window and shutters were open when they had been closed when the McCann's left the apartment.

Madeleine has not been found.

SY have found a link between a group of men who phoned each other frequently on the day Madeleine went missing,  some calls only lasting a minute or so.

There are hairs that don't match any of the people who entered 5a on the 3rd of May that SY want to get DNA from.

[stephen25000]

Hard evidence.

There were people, watching the McCann apartment.

There were people collecting for a bogus charity,   one witness said the man was very interested in her child.

Madeleine is missing.

The window and shutters were open when they had been closed when the McCann's left the apartment.

Madeleine has not been found.

SY have found a link between a group of men who phoned each other frequently on the day Madeleine went missing,  some calls only lasting a minute or so.

There are hairs that don't match any of the people who entered 5a on the 3rd of May that SY want to get DNA from.

People watching the mccann apartment, and what about other apartments ?

So people hanging around in a street looking at buildings is evidence of abduction ?

 Pull the other one.

People working for a bogus charity, evidence of abduction ?

Who are you kidding.

Someone paying attention to a child does not make them a paedophile or abductor.

Madeleine missing.

As much evidence for abduction as there is for her being abducted by aliens.

As to the shutters and windows, need I remind you, no independent verification.

NEXT.

[pathfinder73]

Finger prints found on the window is the only hard evidence in this whole case. You can't solve this case without a theory connecting all of the evidence unless you get a confession which is not going to happen.  But they are supposed to be doing new forensic tests.

[Lace]

People watching the mccann apartment, and what about other apartments ?

So people hanging around in a street looking at buildings is evidence of abduction ?

 Pull the other one.

People working for a bogus charity, evidence of abduction ?

Who are you kidding.

Someone paying attention to a child does not make them a paedophile or abductor.

Madeleine missing.

As much evidence for abduction as there is for her being abducted by aliens.

As to the shutters and windows, need I remind you, no independent verification.

NEXT.

Stephen,  it is how the police work.

How many times do you hear the police ask for witnesses who saw strangers hanging around when a crime has been committed?

Have these people shown up since?

The bogus charity workers could have been going around the apartments,  sussing out who lived there and if they had children,   you really don't get it do you.

Well if you want to think Madeleine was abducted by aliens that is your prerogative,  SY are going down a different route.

[Benice]

Finger prints found on the window is the only hard evidence in this whole case. You can't solve this case without a theory connecting all of the evidence unless you get a confession which is not going to happen.

Fingerprints found on the window of someone who has 'lived'  in the apartment for 5 days is hardly 'hard evidence' of anything - except of their perfectly legitimate presence there.

[slartibartfast]

Stephen,  it is how the police work.

How many times do you hear the police ask for witnesses who saw strangers hanging around when a crime has been committed?

Have these people shown up since?

The bogus charity workers could have been going around the apartments,  sussing out who lived there and if they had children,   you really don't get it do you.

Well if you want to think Madeleine was abducted by aliens that is your prerogative,  SY are going down a different route.

Anyone in Luz who happened to stand still being an automatic suspect is ludicrous, as to people trying to make money from the tourists either with bogus charities, dodgy watches or iffy timeshares, it is hardly unusual.

[Angelo222]

Anyone in Luz who happened to stand still being an automatic suspect is ludicrous, as to people trying to make money from the tourists either with bogus charities, dodgy watches or iffy timeshares, it is hardly unusual.

Scotland Yard are out of their depth when it comes to investigating a supposed crime in Portugal. I will never understand how they were ever given permission to do so in the first place.  It's simply ludicrous!!

[pathfinder73]

Fingerprints found on the window of someone who has 'lived'  in the apartment for 5 days is hardly 'hard evidence' of anything - except of their perfectly legitimate presence there.

According to Amaral the window was cleaned on Wednesday but of course it was closed when the police arrived. The crime scene was compromised.

"The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window blinds in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open." (KM 6 Sep)

"She also recalls entering in the room where Madeleine should be sleeping and remembers now that the door was closed. The room was dark. The blinds were down, some light entering through their holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

[Lace]

Anyone in Luz who happened to stand still being an automatic suspect is ludicrous, as to people trying to make money from the tourists either with bogus charities, dodgy watches or iffy timeshares, it is hardly unusual.

The man seen by the child and others was there at different times staring at 5a,   now to me,  that would be suspicious.

Yes there are many bogus charities etc. with people trying to make money,  but this was before Madeleine went missing so of course the police are going to look into it,  especially as one witness said the man who came to her apartment seemed more interested in her child than what he was collecting for.

[Lace]

According to Amaral the window was cleaned on Wednesday but of course it was closed when the police arrived. The crime scene was compromised.

"The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window blinds in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open." (KM 6 Sep)

"She also recalls entering in the room where Madeleine should be sleeping and remembers now that the door was closed. The room was dark. The blinds were down, some light entering through their holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

I would like to see the witness statement of the cleaner to see if she said she cleaned the windows on the Wednesday.     I have never seen a cleaner clean windows when I have been staying anywhere.   This I would say would be done in between people staying in the apartment. 

[pathfinder73]

I would like to see the witness statement of the cleaner to see if she said she cleaned the windows on the Wednesday.     I have never seen a cleaner clean windows when I have been staying anywhere.   This I would say would be done in between people staying in the apartment.

I don't know but Amaral is the source.

"On the window, there were no signs of a break-in or of gloves. It had been cleaned the day before, May 2nd, by an Ocean Club employee, and the only fingerprints found were Kate's." (TOTL)

[stephen25000]

Stephen,  it is how the police work.

How many times do you hear the police ask for witnesses who saw strangers hanging around when a crime has been committed?

Have these people shown up since?

The bogus charity workers could have been going around the apartments,  sussing out who lived there and if they had children,   you really don't get it do you.

Well if you want to think Madeleine was abducted by aliens that is your prerogative,  SY are going down a different route.

and the police have found ?

Answer, NOTHING and no trace of Madeleine.

Merely because people hang around in a street, does not make them abductors or burglars.

The bogus charity workers, well hardly anything new there, but it doesn't make them potential abductors, no matter how much you wish otherwise.

I don't believe aliens abducted Madeleine, but the point I made, which is fairly apparent, is that a missing child is not direct evidence of abduction.

The other 2 well known theories are:

Accidental death in the apartment; or she walked out of the apartment and 'disappeared'.

As to SY, they are judged by their results.........................

[Lace]

and the police have found ?

Answer, NOTHING and no trace of Madeleine.

Merely because people hang around in a street, does not make them abductors or burglars.

The bogus charity workers, well hardly anything new there, but it doesn't make them potential abductors, no matter how much you wish otherwise.

I don't believe aliens abducted Madeleine, but the point I made, which is fairly apparent, is that a missing child is not direct evidence of abduction.

The other 2 well known theories are:

Accidental death in the apartment; or she walked out of the apartment and 'disappeared'.

As to SY, they are judged by their results.........................

How would we know what the police have found?    Did we hear anything about what the police had found when they hurled a man in for questioning about Claudia the missing chef?

SY have said they are not going to give a running commentary about the investigation.

This man was not just 'hanging about in the street'    he was staring over at 5a,  witnesses stated this fact and it was in reconstruction.

The bogus charity workers don't automatically become abductors,  but they haven't been traced,   so who knows?

[Benice]

I don't know but Amaral is the source.

"On the window, there were no signs of a break-in or of gloves. It had been cleaned the day before, May 2nd, by an Ocean Club employee, and the only fingerprints found were Kate's." (TOTL)

His book is full of lies.  He even changes the date on which Madeleine spoke to her parents from the 3rd to the 2nd May to make it fit better with Mrs Fenns statement.  He also forgets to tell his readers that Madeleine mentioned Sean was crying as well as herself.   This is also a lie to make it fit in with Mrs Fenns statement that she only heard one child crying.

I have never seen a statement from a cleaner saying she cleaned the windows on May 2nd, and I agree with Lace that cleaning windows would be something carried out after one family had left and before the next family arrived  as part of the usual procedure.

As a matter of curiosity - I wonder how many people open a sliding window by placing their hand on the window pane and sliding it across when there is a proper  'handle (whatever it's called) ' to use.     

On the other hand I can imagine putting my hand on a window if I was leaning forward and looking out of the open window - in a panic.

[pathfinder73]

His book is full of lies.  He even changes the date on which Madeleine spoke to her parents from the 3rd to the 2nd May to make it fit better with Mrs Fenns statement.  He also forgets to tell his readers that Madeleine mentioned Sean was crying as well as herself.   This is also a lie to make it fit in with Mrs Fenns statement that she only heard one child crying.

I have never seen a statement from a cleaner saying she cleaned the windows on May 2nd, and I agree with Lace that cleaning windows would be something carried out after one family had left and before the next family arrived  as part of the usual procedure.

As a matter of curiosity - I wonder how many people open a sliding window by placing their hand on the window pane and sliding it across when there is a proper  'handle (whatever it's called) ' to use.     

On the other hand I can imagine putting my hand on a window if I was leaning forward and looking out of the open window - in a panic.

Rachel heard no crying on the 2nd and that is on record! From a witness who stayed in next door to their room. So it's unusual that Madeleine would say that the next morning.