Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Benice]

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

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From memory so am happy to be corrected if wrong, but IIRC the '' inspection to detect the presence of some smell'' was by way of a policeman's nose'.  He sniffed the pillow.   

[pathfinder73]

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From memory so am happy to be corrected if wrong, but IIRC the '' inspection to detect the presence of some smell'' was by way of a policeman's nose'.  He sniffed the pillow.

Nobody reported any smells in the apartment. Have you found any evidence to prove them wrong?

4078 'Is there anything else, that you smelt, could you smell anything''
Reply 'No, no, we've talked about that before, I didn't smell anything.
I was there to check, erm, no, no funny sort of smells, no sort of funny draughts, no sort of funny sort of noises, no, erm, nothing that I can think of for that. I mean, it was a complete just a shock out of the blue when, you know, I'd been in and then suddenly somebody's saying Madeleine's missing, there was nothing that made me think, oh'. (MO)

[Benice]

Nobody reported any smells in the apartment. Have you found any evidence to prove them wrong?

4078 'Is there anything else, that you smelt, could you smell anything''
Reply 'No, no, we've talked about that before, I didn't smell anything.
I was there to check, erm, no, no funny sort of smells, no sort of funny draughts, no sort of funny sort of noises, no, erm, nothing that I can think of for that. I mean, it was a complete just a shock out of the blue when, you know, I'd been in and then suddenly somebody's saying Madeleine's missing, there was nothing that made me think, oh'. (MO)

Matthew Oldfield is not a forensic expert.     Were swabs taken from the pillow which was sniffed by the policeman? Was it taken away for forensic examination.?     Maybe someone can cast more light on this?

[mercury]

Matthew Oldfield is not a forensic expert.     Were swabs taken from the pillow which was sniffed by the policeman? Was it taken away for forensic examination.?     Maybe someone can cast more light on this?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

Voume 9a 2315

It was "inspected"

Chloroform is a gas?, Im not sure forensically sweeping a surface can determine anything

I mean gas like,,,,,sorry, await to hear experts answers  on this

[sadie]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

Voume 9a 2315

It was "inspected"

Chloroform is a gas?, Im not sure forensically sweeping a surface can determine anything

I mean gas like,,,,,sorry, await to hear experts answers  on this

I am old and have been subjected to the use of chloroform a number of times..... UGH !


You are mistaken mercury.

Chloroform comes as a liquid .  It is soaked onto a pad and it then "gasifies" itself, aneasthetising the patient.

I would think that it is entirelyfeasible that residual traces could be found from the liquid via forensic examination.


I hope the PJ made the effort to check for chloroform, but somehow i doubt it.

[Carana]

I am old and have been subjected to the use of chloroform a number of times..... UGH !


You are mistaken mercury.

Chloroform comes as a liquid .  It is soaked onto a pad and it then "gasifies" itself, aneasthetising the patient.

I would think that it is entirelyfeasible that residual traces could be found from the liquid via forensic examination.


I hope the PJ made the effort to check for chloroform, but somehow i doubt it.

There doesn't appear to have been an unusual smell on the night.

The forensic people did look in the apartment for potential evidence, but I presume that that would have been for such obvious physical potential evidence as discarded hankies, syringes or whatever. None was found.

Judging by the lady who only wore one glove, I doubt that any in situ means were very sophisticated. The pillow doesn't appear to have been bagged, so I guess we'll never know.

I'm not entirely convinced that she was actually taken from her bed as I find it feasible that she could have got up for a pee, for example.

[sadie]

There doesn't appear to have been an unusual smell on the night.

The forensic people did look in the apartment for potential evidence, but I presume that that would have been for such obvious physical potential evidence as discarded hankies, syringes or whatever. None was found.

Judging by the lady who only wore one glove, I doubt that any in situ means were very sophisticated. The pillow doesn't appear to have been bagged, so I guess we'll never know.

I'm not entirely convinced that she was actually taken from her bed as I find it feasible that she could have got up for a pee, for example.

Hi carana

Someone on here said that Chloroform can be home made ... and can be made without smell.

The stuff they used on me smelt horrible !

[Brietta]

Hi carana

Someone on here said that Chloroform can be home made ... and can be made without smell.

The stuff they used on me smelt horrible !

Hewlett is recorded as having used paint stripper to subdue his victims ... if it was a pre-planned abduction there seems to be quite a lot of substances to choose from.

[Eleanor]

Hi carana

Someone on here said that Chloroform can be home made ... and can be made without smell.

The stuff they used on me smelt horrible !

Google it.  It's easy to make from household items and the smell dissipates very quickly.

[lordpookles]

Chloroform as far as I'm aware also wears off fairly quickly(think the victim starts recovering very shortly after the cloth for instance is withdrawn from their face), so if drugs were used seems unlikely chloroform is the answer imo taking into account the twins not waking up all night. Of course if we just think Madeleine was drugged then it makes some sense.

[sadie]

Chloroform as far as I'm aware also wears off fairly quickly(think the victim starts recovering very shortly after the cloth for instance is withdrawn from their face), so if drugs were used seems unlikely chloroform is the answer imo taking into account the twins not waking up all night. Of course if we just think Madeleine was drugged then it makes some sense.

Choroform then inject, are my thoughts at the moment.

Accomplis outside the window passing the necessary in and removing used chloroform pad. and needle afterwards


Am probably wrong tho!  Lol !  But could be.

[Carana]

Hewlett is recorded as having used paint stripper to subdue his victims ... if it was a pre-planned abduction there seems to be quite a lot of substances to choose from.

Von Aesch apparently used a common product available in any DIY shop as well.

[pathfinder73]

Choroform then inject, are my thoughts at the moment.

Accomplis outside the window passing the necessary in and removing used chloroform pad. and needle afterwards


Am probably wrong tho!  Lol !  But could be.

What time was this at? Russell, Matt and Jane didn't see an open window and Russell came back through the car park at approximately 9:45.

[Benice]

What time was this at? Russell, Matt and Jane didn't see an open window and Russell came back through the car park at approximately 9:45.

IMO  - unless they had some particular reason to do so, (and I can't think of any) -  there would be no reason for anyone crossing the carpark in the dark -  to make a point of peering across at that specific window - which was not in their line of sight.       

IMO in the few seconds it took to cross  - they would be looking ahead in the direction they were going in,  and Jane and Russell in particular would not be thinking about apartment 5A - or Madeleine.   Therefore, imo the fact that people did not notice an open window is no guarantee that it wasn't open.

 

[faithlilly]

IMO  - unless they had some particular reason to do so, (and I can't think of any) -  there would be no reason for anyone crossing the carpark in the dark -  to make a point of peering across at that specific window - which was not in their line of sight.       

IMO in the few seconds it took to cross  - they would be looking ahead in the direction they were going in,  and Jane and Russell in particular would not be thinking about apartment 5A - or Madeleine.   Therefore, imo the fact that people did not notice an open window is no guarantee that it wasn't open.

So you believe that Matthew, while saying there was more light in the room than he expected, didn't check the window as he went by to his own apartment, especially as he had seen the shutter closed earlier ?