Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[pathfinder73]

Quite, it would be a strong indicator of a planned abduction.

I think a getaway vehicle is the strongest indicator of a pre-planned abduction not by foot so everyone can see you  SY have told us they don't think that happened searching close to the crime scene. That is no pre-planned abduction theory they are working from 

[sadie]

I wonder what made Madeleine the target of a planned abduction ?

I mean...........apparently, she was one of many left alone on holiday with "listening services" whilst parents were elsewhere.

Apartment 5A was very vulnerable, with the front door so recessed and the darkness.  It was a gift to get into unseen for someone with a key.


Was she abducted as she was so pretty and vivacious, with those huge eyes?  Reputedly photos were sent thru the internet of three little girls.  Was she one of them?  Who were they sent to?

Was she abducted because of her Jewish Heritage?  That troubles me.


We just dont know, do we?

[sadie]

I think a getaway vehicle is the strongest indicator of a pre-planned abduction not by foot so everyone can see you  SY have told us they don't think that happened searching close to the crime scene. That is no pre-planned abduction theory they are working from 

Yes, I agree

Try reading "sadies theory"

In it, I have suggested that the get-away vehicle was parked on the little car park opposite Tapas Reception, BUT was unable to get up to Tannerman / bundleman because of Gerry and Jez in the way and the driver being aware that Jane saw Tannerman with Madeleine.  Scared, he scarpered, driving off in the opposite southerly direction



For some reason the thread name has changed, I think, as I can no longer find "sadies Theory"

ADMIN.. Please can you help find SADIES THEORY.  THanks [/s] Thanks.  I think Carana has found it.

[Carana]

Yes, I agree

Try reading "sadies theory"

In it, I have suggested that the get-away vehicle was parked on the little car park opposite Tapas Reception, BUT was unable to get up to Tannerman / bundleman because of Gerry and Jez in the way and the driver being aware that Jane saw Tannerman with Madeleine.  Scared, he scarpered, driving off in the opposite southerly direction



For some reason the thread name has changed, I think, as I can no longer find "sadies Theory"

ADMIN.. Please can you help find SADIES THEORY.  THanks

I think this is it, Sadie.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.0

[pathfinder73]

Yes, I agree

Try reading "sadies theory"

In it, I have suggested that the get-away vehicle was parked on the little car park opposite Tapas Reception, BUT was unable to get up to Tannerman / bundleman because of Gerry and Jez in the way and the driver being aware that Jane saw Tannerman with Madeleine.  Scared, he scarpered, driving off in the opposite southerly direction



For some reason the thread name has changed, I think, as I can no longer find "sadies Theory"

ADMIN.. Please can you help find SADIES THEORY.  THanks

Nobody would park a getaway car opposite the entrance they were using to do their checks. That is the dumbest plan ever!

[G-Unit]

That is nonsense G-unit.  I have been chloroformed several times as a child and it was a matter of a couple of seconds before I lost all knowledge of what was going on.

Has the Wiki been got at?  So easy to alter Wikis.



Thank God it wasn't longer than a couple of seconds, it was a horrible experience having a chloroform pad clapped over your nose and mouth and unconsciousness was a great relief.

Either you are very very old or someone was doing something widely regarded as extremely dangerous;

In 1870, an analysis of 80,000 operations performed with the aid of chloroform showed that the risk of a patient dying was 1 in 2500. In comparison, using ether resulted in only 1 death for every 23,000 operations. By 1875, the British Medical Journal noted that the number of operations carried out under ether again exceeded those carried out under chloroform. The chemical was relegated to use by kidnappers in adventure stories to knock out their victims.
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/podcast/CIIEcompounds/transcripts/chloroform.asp

[sadie]

Either you are very very old or someone was doing something widely regarded as extremely dangerous;

In 1870, an analysis of 80,000 operations performed with the aid of chloroform showed that the risk of a patient dying was 1 in 2500. In comparison, using ether resulted in only 1 death for every 23,000 operations. By 1875, the British Medical Journal noted that the number of operations carried out under ether again exceeded those carried out under chloroform. The chemical was relegated to use by kidnappers in adventure stories to knock out their victims.
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/podcast/CIIEcompounds/transcripts/chloroform.asp

I am old.  Not very very old altho sometimes I feel it !  LOL !


They used chloroform in dentistry as well as in general medical things.

[G-Unit]

I am old.  Not very very old altho sometimes I feel it !  LOL !


They used chloroform in dentistry as well as in general medical things.

I was born in 1944 and dentists never used it on me, and I saw a lot of them as a child. I suppose a few renegades may still have been around lol.

[sadie]

I was born in 1944 and dentists never used it on me, and I saw a lot of them as a child. I suppose a few renegades may still have been around lol.

I am pre-war.  Maybe things changed after the War?

Dunno ?

[Eleanor]

I am pre-war.  Maybe things changed after the War?

Dunno ?

Whatever it was, Sadie, it terrified the life out of me.  I never quite recovered.

[sadie]

I think this is it, Sadie.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.0

Thanks Carana

I put in several versions of sadies theory, but alwyas used lower case lettering for sadie NOT Sadie

Maybe that is why I couldn't find it?



You guys are magic, several of you, in the way you find things.


Now I must go.  Meetings at the hospital as well as daily visiting today.

[sadie]

Whatever it was, Sadie, it terrified the life out of me.  I never quite recovered.

You had it too?

Horrible, but it only lasted a couple or so seconds.

[Eleanor]

You had it too?

Horrible, but it only lasted a couple or so seconds.

Same era, Sadie.  I was seven or eight at the time so it must have been around 1948.  And it didn't take even one minute to put me out.
I never have gotten over my phobia of Dentists.

[mercury]

A strange lingering smell would be indicative of a third party introducing a substance into the room. Burglars don't routinely carry chloroform or ether.

??What?

[mercury]

The longer that the impression was given to the police that this was a woke and wandered scenario rather than an abduction,  the greater time for the perp to get away.

Also the more mstery, the more time the police will take sorting it out

And the use of chloroform could point to someone with medical experience.  If that were the case this would help point towards the person who administered it.... and make it easier for the Police.

Sorry but thats total speculation conjecture and wishful thinking