Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Mr Gray]

You can say it however many times you want, it means nothing to me, or to three qualified doctors;

Asked if the twins had been drugged, she said on BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour today: 'On the night I just remember the twins lying in the cot and not moving - with lights going on and people moving around.
'There was a lot of noise and they just didn't move and I remember several times checking for chest movements. I did feel it was a bit strange that they were not moving let alone waking up.
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When questioned if the twins woke up during the searches in the apartment, he replied negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke, as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, but he can find no reason for it happening. Yet, at that moment he thought that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later.
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No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

It doesn't bother me what you think.. I know from experience.. young children in a deep sleep can be almost impossible to wake up...I also have experience of sedating children

[Mr Gray]

If the children were sedated it would almost certainly have to be something in their food taken orally to be long lasting. I don't doubt in the heat of the moment Kate thought about sedation and checked the children...but looking at it rationally I don't see how they could have been sedated...chloroform or any gas would wear off very quickly

[Admin]

If the children were sedated it would almost certainly have to be something in their food taken orally to be long lasting. I don't doubt in the heat of the moment Kate thought about sedation and checked the children...but looking at it rationally I don't see how they could have been sedated...chloroform or any gas would wear off very quickly

Frankly, I cannot see a situation where Madeleine could have been carried out of that apartment by a stranger unless she was unconscious.

[Angelo222]

Frankly, I cannot see a situation where Madeleine could have been carried out of that apartment by a stranger unless she was unconscious.

Maddie cried for two nights in a row according to witness statements given by Pam Fenn and Kate McCann herself yet she was content and asleep on the third night.  Not only that, we are expected to believe some stranger entered her bedroom, opened a noisy shutter and the bedroom window, lifted her out of bed and casually sauntered off with her and she never bat an eyelid??

[Mr Gray]

Frankly, I cannot see a situation where Madeleine could have been carried out of that apartment by a stranger unless she was unconscious.

looks like the twins could have been so why not Maddie...The little girl taken from her bath wasn't unconcious

[Alice Purjorick]

Maddie cried for two nights in a row according to witness statements given by Pam Fenn and Kate McCann herself yet she was content and asleep on the third night.  Not only that, we are expected to believe some stranger entered her bedroom, opened a noisy shutter and the bedroom window, lifted her out of bed and casually sauntered off with her and she never bat an eyelid??

Well it's plausible isn't it? and who is to say it didn't happen? 

[Alice Purjorick]

Perhaps it is about "belief" ... a belief shared by the Portuguese Attorney General ~ now there is a very important legal title ~ top notch I would think.

It also seems to be a "belief" shared with the professional investigators presently working on Madeleine McCann's case who have found no evidence to implicate her parents or their friends to her disappearance ... but who are it seems following the evidence which has led to people of interest.

Course you will know so much better than these professionals who have all the available evidence to hand.

To save us the hassle of trawling through "The McCann Files" how about giving us a cite or a link to that Brie?

[Angelo222]

It also seems to be a "belief" shared with the professional investigators presently working on Madeleine McCann's case who have found no evidence to implicate her parents or their friends to her disappearance ... but who are it seems following the evidence which has led to people of interest.

Unless you are privy to inside info which I doubt very much, you cannot know what SY are thinking.

What is not in doubt however is their involvement post disappearance.

[Admin]

looks like the twins could have been so why not Maddie...The little girl taken from her bath wasn't unconcious

I agree, all three could have been sedated as Kate McCann mentions in her book.  Rohypnol being a suitable candidate which could have been easily administered earlier that day rendering the children fatigued.

[stephen25000]

you need to read the post again

Nope, I don't.

[Mr Gray]

I agree, all three could have been sedated as Kate McCann mentions in her book.  Rohypnol being a suitable candidate which could have been easily administered earlier that day rendering the children fatigued.

if the children were given rohypnol they would be practically asleep within 20 mins

[Lace]

Maddie cried for two nights in a row according to witness statements given by Pam Fenn and Kate McCann herself yet she was content and asleep on the third night.  Not only that, we are expected to believe some stranger entered her bedroom, opened a noisy shutter and the bedroom window, lifted her out of bed and casually sauntered off with her and she never bat an eyelid??

Where is the proof that Madeleine according to you cried for two nights in a row?

Madeleine said 'why didn't you come when Sean and me cried'   she didn't say 'last night'   I don't know how that has suddenly become fact.   The McCann's wondered when she meant.   I think she meant the Tuesday night when Amelie woke them up but that is just my opinion.

I'm wondering if something could have been wafted under the twins noses,  Kate said they were both sleeping on their fronts with their knees tucked under their tummies.    To me that looks as though they both awoke and stood in their cots,   someone could have put something under their noses and they sunk to their knees and lay down as they were.   The window could have been opened to get the smell of whatever it was out of the room.

[G-Unit]

if the children were given rohypnol they would be practically asleep within 20 mins

 The effects of Rohypnol appear 15 to 20 minutes after administration and last approximately four to six hours. Some residual effects can be found 12 hours or more after administration
http://www.drugs.com/illicit/rohypnol.html

[Lace]

APOLOGIES Angelo,   Madeleine DID say 'last night'   but Kate was in the room with the children Wednesday night.

In my opinion Madeleine got confused and meant the Tuesday night as Amelie woke both her and Sean.

[mercury]

The three children were given rohipnol whilst in the nursery? Ive heard it all now, I think. This makes no sense on any level IMO, perhaps the poster who suggested this can explain fully?