Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Mr Gray]

Lets have the full quote shall we;

No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

I can't remember who carried up Sean and Amelie. Erm, and we sat on the sofa, me and Kate with the twins asleep on us for a while, erm, and they didn't wake up and, again, that was quite strange, even in the transfer and, and being handled by people that weren't their parents, they didn't, they didn't wake up.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

as I said...context...kate now says ..at the time it seemed weird...obviously having reflected on the situation it no longer seems weird....kids can sleep very deeply

[lordpookles]

There's a clip of Gerry talking to his brother in law I believe who is a documentary maker and filmed the McCanns for several days when they were in Prai Da Luz shortly after Madelienes disappearance and he talks to the camera briefly about his drugging theories. Can't seem to find the clip/documentary right now though.

I think the point is it is actually out of the ordinary for kids to sleep through a commotion like that. Gerry says as much in the clip I mention.

[G-Unit]

We can speculate as much as we like, but there are facts. Both parents were immediately convinced an abduction had taken place. The remaining children slept on despite noise, lights, searching. The mother was clearly concerned about their welfare to the extent that she kept checking that they were breathing. No other action was attempted at all.

Nor by her husband;
When questioned if the twins woke up during the searches in the apartment, he replied negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke, as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, but he can find no reason for it happening. Yet, at that moment he thought that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later

[faithlilly]

There's a clip of Gerry talking to his brother in law I believe who is a documentary maker and filmed the McCanns for several days when they were in Prai Da Luz shortly after Madelienes disappearance and he talks to the camera briefly about his drugging theories. Can't seem to find the clip/documentary right now though.

I think the point is it is actually out of the ordinary for kids to sleep through a commotion like that. Gerry says as much in the clip I mention.

I believe it's in the 2007 Panorama programme.

[Anna]

There's a clip of Gerry talking to his brother in law I believe who is a documentary maker and filmed the McCanns for several days when they were in Prai Da Luz shortly after Madelienes disappearance and he talks to the camera briefly about his drugging theories. Can't seem to find the clip/documentary right now though.

I think the point is it is actually out of the ordinary for kids to sleep through a commotion like that. Gerry says as much in the clip I mention.

This one? https://youtu.be/Ix6bKUnmOCM
Anyway since the twins were found to be OK and the parents were in a state of great distress, at the time, do you think it would it be uppermost in their mind, when they were obviously in a extremely confused and anxious state as to what had happened to Madeleine?

My children when they were babies, slept through family celebrations and all sorts.

[Carana]

Illicit police leaks appear to have dried up - which gave rise to endless speculation.

Now - perhaps -  any real news will be revealed in due time.

[G-Unit]

This one? https://youtu.be/Ix6bKUnmOCM
Anyway since the twins were found to be OK and the parents were in a state of great distress, at the time, do you think it would it be uppermost in their mind, when they were obviously in a extremely confused and anxious state as to what had happened to Madeleine?

My children when they were babies, slept through family celebrations and all sorts.

Kate McCann may have been distressed, confused and anxious but she had the presence of mind to repeatedly check the twins. She took no further action. You wouldn't be worried about your children sleeping because you knew they were just tired, you didn't suspect someone had drugged them. Different scenarios.

The McCanns didn't ask the PJ to test the twins as far as I know, but they did want to know about evidence collected;

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

[Eleanor]

Kate McCann may have been distressed, confused and anxious but she had the presence of mind to repeatedly check the twins. She took no further action. You wouldn't be worried about your children sleeping because you knew they were just tired, you didn't suspect someone had drugged them. Different scenarios.

The McCanns didn't ask the PJ to test the twins as far as I know, but they did want to know about evidence collected;

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

I don't think that happened on the 5th of May, unless you can prove otherwise.  Who is this person that you quote?

[Alice Purjorick]

I don't think that happened on the 5th of May, unless you can prove otherwise.  Who is this person that you quote?

Seemingly he was then a police officer in the Leicestershire Constabulary.

[Alfred R Jones]

Can I ask how this discussion about whether or not the twins may have been sedated and the McCanns' failure to call for an ambulance the night Madeleine went missing constitutes "hard evidence" and of what?

[Alice Purjorick]

Can I ask how this discussion about whether or not the twins may have been sedated and the McCanns' failure to call for an ambulance the night Madeleine went missing constitutes "hard evidence" and of what?

The thread title appears to be a question not a statement.
Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

One suspects the answer to that question is a global no except for hard evidence that she is missing.
What do you think?

[Eleanor]

Seemingly he was then a police officer in the Leicestershire Constabulary.

Seemingly?  Oh, well, that's okay then.  That'll be Hard Evidence.

[Alice Purjorick]

Seemingly?  Oh, well, that's okay then.  That'll be Hard Evidence.

Well were you to click on the link the poster provided you could read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions rather than make pointless comments. In the nicest possible way of course.

[Eleanor]

Well were you to click on the link the poster provided you could read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions rather than make pointless comments. In the nicest possible way of course.

Can I have the link again?  Sorry.  Please may I have the link again? 

But when it comes to pointless comments, you are so much better at that than I am.  That is mostly all you ever do.

But good on ya.  Where would we all be without spurious rubbish.

[Alfred R Jones]

The thread title appears to be a question not a statement.
Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

One suspects the answer to that question is a global no except for hard evidence that she is missing.
What do you think?

What do you think the discussion about the twins possibly, maybe having been drugged has to do with the subject of this thread?