Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Brietta]

Please feel free to show that my facts are mistaken;

The people showing concern about the sleeping children were....the parents. The people raising the question of sedation were...the parents.

Yeah, and the people who should have done something about it were the police.

Now is it just me ... or do we really seem to be getting hung up on even more trivia than usual on this thread?

[pathfinder73]

There are no Facts.  Only opinions.

What are the facts? Just what you've been told. It's easy to lie anyone can do it!

[Eleanor]

What are the facts? Just what you've been told. It's easy to lie anyone can do it!

There are no Facts.  This is what I said.  There are No Proven Facts.  So don't play word games with me.

[Brietta]

What are the facts? Just what you've been told. It's easy to lie anyone can do it!

Indeed, and they can even add their signature to a statement which doesn't make it true.  Simples.

[G-Unit]

I have seen on this thread discussions about abductors with chloroform soaked rags opening windows to let the fumes escape. I have seen suggestions that a child was abducted due to her bloodline. Both ideas are pure conjecture. I have pointed out things which happened according to signed statements and have been told to stay on topic. If signed statements cannot be used to ascertain the facts of a case I wonder why the police bother taking them.

[Brietta]

I have seen on this thread discussions about abductors with chloroform soaked rags opening windows to let the fumes escape. I have seen suggestions that a child was abducted due to her bloodline. Both ideas are pure conjecture. I have pointed out things which happened according to signed statements and have been told to stay on topic. If signed statements cannot be used to ascertain the facts of a case I wonder why the police bother taking them.

Similarly I wonder why the police did not act on some signed statements ... particularly ones the content of which did not coincide with the lead detective's pet theory.

Eye witness testimony counts as evidence to be ruled in or out of an inquiry.

[Eleanor]

I have seen on this thread discussions about abductors with chloroform soaked rags opening windows to let the fumes escape. I have seen suggestions that a child was abducted due to her bloodline. Both ideas are pure conjecture. I have pointed out things which happened according to signed statements and have been told to stay on topic. If signed statements cannot be used to ascertain the facts of a case I wonder why the police bother taking them.

Do you have a problem with staying On Topic?

[Eleanor]

And we are now wandering Off Topic.  So please try.  Throw in a couple of words pertaining to the Thread Title and then I won't have to delete it.  This isn't difficult.

[Anna]

This thread is Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?


Well it seems not, unless one can take into account an open window and a missing child, which only gives evidence of her disappearance, but not how she came to disappear or where she is now. Not a trace of her anywhere. alive or otherwise

The Whys, Whats, Wheres and whens of the McCanns words, does not help anyone in the discovery of what may have happened to the child, as this interview portrays. https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM
It happened and there is no changing that fact.

It  is not relevant to this topic, to discuss what was and was not said by the McCanns in reference to possible drugging of the children. I believe there are other threads where this can be discussed. Here is one, but I am sure there must be one more recent….. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2035.msg66232#msg66232

There is no evidence against the parents and in fact as far as we know, there is no evidence whatsoever, in this case.

We need to find out what happened to Madeleine, or I should say the Police need to find out what happened to her and hopefully they will find supporting evidence to achieve this.

We do not know if OG have or have not found evidence, because of the secrecy laws, but it does not look promising. Too many suspects and too little evidence.

And as Carana has said, there are no news leaks, so we must wait and hope that OG and  the Portuguese police, have achieved something in this investigation.
We can only make calculated guesses and contribute our theories of the possibilities of what may have happened to cause the disappearance without a trace of Madeleine.

[mercury]

There are no Facts.  This is what I said.  There are No Proven Facts.  So don't play word games with me.

This in an interesting post. What is a proven fact and what isnt? Hmmmm

[mercury]

The parents and their friends have suggested that the twins may have been drugged. Rohipnol was suggested as a possible drug but as it acts in 20 minutes the only people who could have given it would be those who were with the children later, not the Nannies. If the twins were drugged it would most likely have to be something given orally or by injection in order to still be working hours later.

Kate McCann kept putting her hands on their backs and under their noses checking for breathing. That's what a lay person might do, but as a doctor and an anesthetist Kate McCann should have reacted quite differently in my opinion.

Thanks, I didnt know that. So, that rules out rohypnol, said poster who suggested it, take note,

As for the mother, as a doctor, "wondering" if the other babies had been drugged but not being sure, she shiould have taken them to hospital, but seeing as she didnt she must have been sure they were OK and their safety was not at risk. I must say though that that doesnt tally with the FACT that she left them alone moments after discovering her elder daughter missing, something she was very sure of, to run to the restaraunt, as if she was content that an abductor wasnt still around. That doeant make sense to me.

[Eleanor]

This in an interesting post. What is a proven fact and what isnt? Hmmmm

Nothing much at all.  And  "Hmmmm"  is so last year.  Do we have a rolley eyes smiley?

[mercury]

Nothing much at all.  And  "Hmmmm"  is so last year.  Do we have a rolley eyes smiley?

What isnt much at all?

So sorry to utter "hmmm"  as an example of "thinking and not sure yet",  your disdain and racidness is noted, ta

[Eleanor]

What isnt much at all?

So sorry to utter "hmmm"  as an example of "thinking and not sure yet",  your disdain and racidness is noted, ta

Did you mean Rancidness?  If so, would you like me to correct it for you?

[mercury]

Did you mean Rancidness?  If so, would you like me to correct it for you?

just waiting on an answer to what a "proven fact" is or isnt...hmmm, thats the only thing that needs correcting ie an unanswered question if thats ok that is!!