Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Carana]

Before some of you go off on your personal slanging matches again... I'm still interested in Pegasus's find re the window.


From his book:
However, on the glass, on the handle and on the right-hand frame of Madeleine's bedroom window, we had lifted five fingerprints - three from a middle finger and two from an index finger - all from a left hand, identified as belonging to Kate McCann.

The only mention in the files is that her fingerprints were found on the glass pane, nowhere else... no mention of prints found on the handle, nor on the bedroom window frame, and - as Pegasus has discovered - the right-hand frame was of the living-room sliding door, NOT the bedroom window.

[John]

Members need no reminding that mutual respect and tolerance of others views should be respected.

[Brietta]

Before some of you go off on your personal slanging matches again... I'm still interested in Pegasus's find re the window.


From his book:
However, on the glass, on the handle and on the right-hand frame of Madeleine's bedroom window, we had lifted five fingerprints - three from a middle finger and two from an index finger - all from a left hand, identified as belonging to Kate McCann.

The only mention in the files is that her fingerprints were found on the glass pane, nowhere else... no mention of prints found on the handle, nor on the bedroom window frame, and - as Pegasus has discovered - the right-hand frame was of the living-room sliding door, NOT the bedroom window.

It is all so illogical that I am totally confused.  I think there has been a collective blind spot, because of the belief no-body can manipulate 'hard' evidence ... we never considered they can misinterpret it.

I've been trying to get my head round this ever since Pegasus posed the riddle ... I couldn't see it then, and well done to Anna for working it out for us.

If these extra prints claimed by Mr Amaral to be Kate's are not hers ... whose are they?  It seems there are more than those identified in the files. 

I'm going to remain totally confused until someone is kind enough to explain it all in words commensurate with my level of understanding on this ... one syllable or 'ladybird' level won't cause offence.

[pegasus]

In this tiny picture are several pieces of hard evidence.
Recorded accurately by the forensics team on 4th May.
Did the leading crime scene experts in CR PJ Dispatches Panorama SY etc interpret them or even see them when they looked at this tiny area?
IMO the answer to that is .....  no.

[G-Unit]

Before some of you go off on your personal slanging matches again... I'm still interested in Pegasus's find re the window.


From his book:
However, on the glass, on the handle and on the right-hand frame of Madeleine's bedroom window, we had lifted five fingerprints - three from a middle finger and two from an index finger - all from a left hand, identified as belonging to Kate McCann.

The only mention in the files is that her fingerprints were found on the glass pane, nowhere else... no mention of prints found on the handle, nor on the bedroom window frame, and - as Pegasus has discovered - the right-hand frame was of the living-room sliding door, NOT the bedroom window.

The files don't say exactly where the fingerprints were, just the inside of the window;

VESTIGES COLLECTED
5….. Fingerprints….Inside interior window of the children’s bedroom…..DBT…..Suf

The fingerprint traces collected are identified as being the middle finger of the left hand (3x) and forefinger of the left hand (2x), of the missing girl’s mother,
The fingerprint inspection was only carried out on the inside of the window because it was night time, the location was sealed and preserved so that light conditions would permit the inspection of the residence to be finalised.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

[Anna]

It is all so illogical that I am totally confused.  I think there has been a collective blind spot, because of the belief no-body can manipulate 'hard' evidence ... we never considered they can misinterpret it.

I've been trying to get my head round this ever since Pegasus posed the riddle ... I couldn't see it then, and well done to Anna for working it out for us.

If these extra prints claimed by Mr Amaral to be Kate's are not hers ... whose are they?  It seems there are more than those identified in the files. 

I'm going to remain totally confused until someone is kind enough to explain it all in words commensurate with my level of understanding on this ... one syllable or 'ladybird' level won't cause offence.

It goes like this, Brietta;-

The fingerprints seen in the documentary are not from the bedroom window or from Kate,
They are from a GNR officer and located on the frame of the patio door.

The files show that there were 3 fingerprints (middle finger of left hand) and 2 fingerprints (index finger of left hand ) on the bedroom window. The handle is not mentioned.



That film/Documentary:-

Over 50 people took part in the making of that film.

And nobody noticed something wrong in the fingerprints?

It makes me wonder how many more mistakes there were.

BTW this isn’t the film that has recently been banned, is it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Madeleine McCann The Truth of the Lie

Published on 17 Jun 2014

Madeleine McCann - The Truth of the Lie - English Narration FULL Documentary - BANNED & Later Overturned

FULL Documentary BANNED by the McCanns (Overturned)
Goncalo Amaral

[Anna]

In this tiny picture are several pieces of hard evidence.
Recorded accurately by the forensics team on 4th May.
Did the leading crime scene experts in CR PJ Dispatches Panorama SY etc interpret them or even see them when they looked at this tiny area?
IMO the answer to that is .....  no.

Another riddle, Pegasus?
That photo is I believe the left hand side of the shutters with some sort of smudge marks.
However Gerry and Diane both touched them.

[pegasus]

To interpret the hard evidence of the window and shutter forensics Mr A was relying on crime scene experts including experts from the UK.

[pegasus]

@Anna for example what's that thing sticking out?

[Carana]

@Anna for example what's that thing sticking out?

I've wondered about that. I've had a blind like that, and the only thing that seems vaguely similar are hard stoppers of some kind on either side to stop the blinds going up too high and disappearing into the rolling mechanism.

[pegasus]

It's bleeding obvious the sliding door wasn't used, unless you are stupid enough to believe that the polite abductor closed everything behind him on his way in/out.

Would a person going furtively through two gates would leave them both open? The top gate closes by itself IMO, and the street gate is same design as the one in CT statement. But this is not hard evidence.

[pegasus]

I've wondered about that. I've had a blind like that, and the only thing that seems vaguely similar are hard stoppers of some kind on either side to stop the blinds going up too high and disappearing into the rolling mechanism.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6209.0;attach=5098;image
That is what I thought it was at first, stopping the shutter closing too far. But that was wrong answer.
No need to solve what it is, save that for a rainy day, the important hard evidence is that there are 2 things that stick out. Another bit of hard evidence is its distance from the bottom of the shutter?

[Miss Taken Identity]

First visual check of the week, there had to be a reason to look in the room & not just listen.

...and so the door had moved.

Yes, first visual check of the week! never mind the evening. Ignore the whooshing curtains and jemmmied shutter scenario- no one seems to be able to say what time Maddie disappeared. It could have been just after parents left for the Tapas. Hours for an abductor to pop in via the door and out again...if we are looking at the ' stranger abduciton' thesis.

[Anna]

@Anna for example what's that thing sticking out?

I don't know Pegasus, but since there is one each side and they have a hole in the middle of them, Could they be a release lock of some sort, or just screws that connect to the winding up tapes on the inside?

[jassi]

Yes, first visual check of the week! never mind the evening. Ignore the whooshing curtains and jemmmied shutter scenario- no one seems to be able to say what time Maddie disappeared. It could have been just after parents left for the Tapas. Hours for an abductor to pop in via the door and out again...if we are looking at the ' stranger abduciton' thesis.

I thought we had Gerry looking down at his daughter at about 9 pm and thinking how fortunate he was - or was that an earlier, retracted version of events ?