Author Topic: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?  (Read 434725 times)

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Offline mercury

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #900 on: May 26, 2015, 12:28:07 AM »
Pegasus thinks he got lucky finding an unlocked window after lifting noisy shutters but the kids wouldn't hear them. They have to ignore the obvious to try and find their truth. A door was said to be moved and Tannerman was the one. Their abductor has gone - SY have got rid so all eyes are now on the hidden less important one. But not for number 1 enemy Amaral. That man was firmly in his sights. Somebody was in the apartment not via the window and took her out not via the window and he is still unidentified.

Pegasus hasn't demonstrated that a) the window was open or able to be opened from a closed position or b) any evidence that a stranger opened it, unless I missed something

I am seeing so many different theories to try and prove Madeleine was abducted, including the stupid one by Heribert who thnks an abductor pulled Madeleine out of a window, just like that! Ala Tommy Cooper

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #901 on: May 26, 2015, 12:44:16 AM »
If a window with a handle is closed, I don't believe it can just be slid open but if there is video evidence of this, I'd love to see it. What's the point of a handle/closing mechanism then?
Heriberto's video shows a sliding window.

Offline mercury

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #902 on: May 26, 2015, 12:54:54 AM »
Heriberto's video shows a sliding window.

So?
it doesn't show how a closed window can be slid open does it?

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #903 on: May 26, 2015, 01:26:15 AM »
... got lucky finding an unlocked window ...
There are several statements by people who never checked the lock buttons on windows before they went out.

The burglar tries the window which takes a few seconds. If it slides he operates strap, if not he tries another apartment. Easy.

Offline mercury

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #904 on: May 26, 2015, 01:31:08 AM »
There are several statements by people who never checked the lock buttons on windows before they went out.

The burglar tries the window which takes a few seconds. If it slides he operates strap, if not he tries another apartment. Easy.

It doesnt matter if Kate Mccann says the window was closed unless you want to change the definition of "closed"

Goodnight

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #905 on: May 26, 2015, 01:40:45 AM »
So?
it doesn't show how a closed window can be slid open does it?
Did you watch it? It is closed then he touches it then it is open. Do you want a better video?

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #906 on: May 26, 2015, 01:58:38 AM »
It doesnt matter if Kate Mccann says the window was closed unless you want to change the definition of "closed"

Goodnight
The window was closed. That doesn't tell us whether the lock button was in or out. See photos in the files.

Offline mercury

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #907 on: May 26, 2015, 02:14:50 AM »
Did you watch it? It is closed then he touches it then it is open. Do you want a better video?

it only opens because he wants it too, steady on!
yes, lets have the better video

Offline mercury

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #908 on: May 26, 2015, 02:16:36 AM »
The window was closed. That doesn't tell us whether the lock button was in or out. See photos in the files.
As I thought. You want to redefine the meaning of closed, for some reason, never mind Pegasus, try harder next time, proper goodnight now

Offline Angelo222

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #909 on: May 26, 2015, 09:36:24 AM »
Oh mercury, I dont believe it.

Maybe you are new to the scene, but Kate says that the window was shut when they went out.  When she came back, it was open.  Dont you remember Kate saying about the door slamming and the curtains whooshing?  The window had to be open for that.

There was no forensic evidence that either the shutter or the window were forced so if the window was shut/locked then it COULD NOT BE OPENED FROM THE OUTSIDE.

For the McCanns scenario to work the window was unlocked ie not secured.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2015, 09:42:29 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #910 on: May 26, 2015, 09:44:56 AM »
Not impossible, in theory, and I'd wondered about it as well, but I just can't imagine a not-quite-four-year-old quietly going out of the front door into the night into what may have seemed like a creepy parking lot having just been frightened by a bogeyman.

She could have thought it one of her parents and decided to go out?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Benice

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #911 on: May 26, 2015, 09:57:42 AM »
She could have thought it one of her parents and decided to go out?

I don't think a child of Madeleine's age would go out and wander off without her shoes on. 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #912 on: May 26, 2015, 10:07:48 AM »
There are several statements by people who never checked the lock buttons on windows before they went out.

The burglar tries the window which takes a few seconds. If it slides he operates strap, if not he tries another apartment. Easy.

I think that may be too logical for some to grasp.  Although one must remember that burglaries taking place on the Algarve were hotly disputed and Kate McCann was called a liar when she mentioned in her book the home invasions and assaults on British children which had taken place while their parents slept.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #913 on: May 26, 2015, 10:25:50 AM »
I don't think a child of Madeleine's age would go out and wander off without her shoes on.

It is debatable whether she could reach the (yale type) lock on the wooden door and be able to open it, but had she done so she would have left prints, there is also the probability she would not have pulled it after her and with no through draft it would not have blown shut .
I wonder if that was an area dusted for prints?

I agree that a child who was almost four would have put her shoes on before walking out.  Of the cases I have looked at, the children have put on outerwear if they are old enough, so I would imagine they would put on their shoes ~ which most are capable of doing ~ or at least slippers.



The toddler, who just turned 3 last week, put on a pair of little ruby red shoes, threw her jacket on over her nightdress, and went out the front door without a sound.
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/22/news/down-east/3-year-old-baileyville-girl-leaves-home-walks-nearly-a-mile-to-the-store/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #914 on: May 26, 2015, 10:34:14 AM »
There are several statements by people who never checked the lock buttons on windows before they went out.

The burglar tries the window which takes a few seconds. If it slides he operates strap, if not he tries another apartment. Easy.


Amazing, isn't it?  Basic safety measures to protect your valuables  ignored.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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