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Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #930 on: May 26, 2015, 08:09:35 PM »
Who told you the door moved and the window was open? The one who said the door moved didn't check the apartment and the one who said the window was open didn't check the car park. At least both are consistent with their strange behaviour.
IIRC in your theory the south bedroom is irrelevant because the child was not in there.
What is the first room of great importance in your theory? Lets look at the hard evidence there.


Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #931 on: May 26, 2015, 09:42:19 PM »
(This will be about hard evidence and its misinterpretation) At the restarant last night Fred was wearing a pink shirt. Where was his green shirt? It is not a trick question its commonsense. An approximate answer will do.

Offline sadie

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #932 on: May 26, 2015, 10:11:49 PM »
OK then Sadie give us uninitiated the full SP on draughts please.
Do you agree with Angelo that there would be a through draught if there were two north facing openings and no others?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #933 on: May 26, 2015, 10:24:05 PM »
Do you agree with Angelo that there would be a through draught if there were two north facing openings and no others?
That would depend on, but not limited to, how well the south elevation is sealed, the wind velocity, its direction, any heating effect inside the building and any forced ventilation.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #934 on: May 26, 2015, 10:26:03 PM »
IIRC in your theory the south bedroom is irrelevant because the child was not in there.
What is the first room of great importance in your theory? Lets look at the hard evidence there.

Who said the child was in bed? Who said the door moved? Who said the window was open? Who said she was tired so didn't go out to play? Who didn't go to the beach with the others? Who said the apartment was unlocked at 8:30 so why did he use a key?
« Last Edit: May 26, 2015, 10:32:50 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #935 on: May 26, 2015, 10:31:52 PM »
(This will be about hard evidence and its misinterpretation) At the restarant last night Fred was wearing a pink shirt. Where was his green shirt? It is not a trick question its commonsense. An approximate answer will do.
OK, I will bite.  At home in his wardrobe.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #936 on: May 26, 2015, 10:37:34 PM »
Door open at 9.05pm would mean the child opened it to leave the room, to have a wee, its of no interest IMO because all is well at this time.

The door open at 10pm means the child opened it to leave the room IMO but obviously for a different reason.

A pint too many of draught beer and its easy for peeps to forget that 99% of times a door is opened, its opened by a person. There were three people in the apartment, only one of them was mobile, therefore that is who opened the door.

BTW the draught direction was the wrong way to open the door, see KM statement.

Matt found the door in the same position as Gerry said it moved to but that was supposed to be Kate's check @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #937 on: May 26, 2015, 11:51:44 PM »
Matt found the door in the same position as Gerry said it moved to but that was supposed to be Kate's check @)(++(*
I think that once again [soz] you have got it all wrong.   £5%4%

Cites please Pfinder.

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #938 on: May 27, 2015, 12:22:23 AM »
Matt found the door in the same position as Gerry said it moved to but that was supposed to be Kate's check @)(++(*

If there was no evidence of someone illegally gaining access to 5a, why, after 7 years, did somebody in Portugal claim the OC copy keys to block 5 were lost in the days before Madeleine went missing?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #939 on: May 27, 2015, 12:42:33 AM »
I think that once again [soz] you have got it all wrong.   £5%4%

Cites please Pfinder.

Read the statements I'm right and you are wrong. You always accuse me of being wrong when you are and it's getting tiresome. Moved from ajar to half-open then back to ajar (Gerry's check)  then half-open. Kate was scheduled to do the 9:30 check not Matt. So Matt found the door in the same position as where Gerry said it moved to.

At 20H35, they left the apartment in the direction of the TAPAS. Before they left and because the children's bedroom door was ajar as always, he opened it a little more, listening from the outside and, as there was complete silence he did not enter, returning the door to its previous position, with a space of about 10cm.

At 21H05 MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go to check how his children were.
----- He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge, he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

The question asked, he clarifies not having told MBM's parents the facts of having found the door half-open.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

So Matt didn't tell them he saw it half-open but he told the police. That was my revelation moment  ?>)()<
« Last Edit: May 27, 2015, 01:08:46 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #940 on: May 27, 2015, 01:52:01 AM »
Read the statements I'm right and you are wrong. You always accuse me of being wrong when you are and it's getting tiresome. Moved from ajar to half-open then back to ajar (Gerry's check)  then half-open. Kate was scheduled to do the 9:30 check not Matt. So Matt found the door in the same position as where Gerry said it moved to.

At 20H35, they left the apartment in the direction of the TAPAS. Before they left and because the children's bedroom door was ajar as always, he opened it a little more, listening from the outside and, as there was complete silence he did not enter, returning the door to its previous position, with a space of about 10cm.

At 21H05 MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go to check how his children were.
----- He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge, he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

The question asked, he clarifies not having told MBM's parents the facts of having found the door half-open.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

So Matt didn't tell them he saw it half-open but he told the police. That was my revelation moment  ?>)()<

Why would Matt mention the door position after his check? It wasn't important at that time.
Door positions would have only been discussed at a later stage.

Offline Carana

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #941 on: May 27, 2015, 10:37:03 AM »
(This will be about hard evidence and its misinterpretation) At the restarant last night Fred was wearing a pink shirt. Where was his green shirt? It is not a trick question its commonsense. An approximate answer will do.

Where is it stated that Fred had a green one?

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #942 on: May 27, 2015, 11:44:43 AM »
Why would Matt mention the door position after his check? It wasn't important at that time.
Door positions would have only been discussed at a later stage.

At least is good to see that witness statements made by the McCann party are accepted as being a true record of events.

It shows the value of taking statements, collating them, and with that evidence being able to move to the next step.

The witnesses detailed the scene as they saw it, at the time each was in ignorance of the others' experience. 
I see no great mystery or conspiracy here.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #943 on: May 29, 2015, 05:12:35 AM »
OK, I will bite.  At home in his wardrobe.
Good. His green shirt is at home. For example might be in a wardrobe or a laundry basket, something like that.
Final question, then I promise to get to some hard evidence.
While Fred is at the restaurant wearing his pink shirt, I scribble on his green shirt at his home. Does Fred sitting at the restaurant have any knowledge of this? (it's not a trick question)

Offline Carana

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #944 on: May 29, 2015, 08:44:43 AM »
Good. His green shirt is at home. For example might be in a wardrobe or a laundry basket, something like that.
Final question, then I promise to get to some hard evidence.
While Fred is at the restaurant wearing his pink shirt, I scribble on his green shirt at his home. Does Fred sitting at the restaurant have any knowledge of this? (it's not a trick question)

Not unless there's some kind of communication system - you and Fred are in contact by phone and you admit it; or a third party informs Fred; or Fred has CCTV remote access to his laundry basket.