Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Brietta]

Not unless there's some kind of communication system - you and Fred are in contact by phone and you admit it; or a third party informs Fred; or Fred has CCTV remote access to his laundry basket.

Or it is by pre-arrangement.

[Carana]

Or it is by pre-arrangement.

Also.

Not sure where Pegasus is going with this, but I expect that there's an interesting concept behind it... If the idea is about "hard evidence", what are the options other than a recorded CCTV clip with an accurate recording time catching Pegasus red-handed?

[Brietta]

Also.

Not sure where Pegasus is going with this, but I expect that there's an interesting concept behind it... If the idea is about "hard evidence", what are the options other than a recorded CCTV clip with an accurate recording time catching Pegasus red-handed?

I don't know what sort of processes go on inside Pegasus' brain ... I was sooo impressed  with the deduction regarding the fingerprints ... that I doubt very much if that can be surpassed.

So come on Pegasus!! Don't keep us in suspense ... what have you come up with this time?

It will be on topic ... because you always are ... so it is evidence.  Just where are you taking us with it?

[sadie]

I don't know what sort of processes go on inside Pegasus' brain ... I was sooo impressed  with the deduction regarding the fingerprints ... that I doubt very much if that can be surpassed.

So come on Pegasus!! Don't keep us in suspense ... what have you come up with this time?

It will be on topic ... because you always are ... so it is evidence.  Just where are you taking us with it?

I too was VERY impressed by the fingerprint deductions, but whilst good, Pegasus doesn't always get it right




I wonder if this conundrum is setting us up for "whilst Kate was at the table, Gerry was at the apartment doing nasty things" .... or the reverse.  Or Matt etc doing nasty things?


Hope that I am wrong.

[slartibartfast]

I too was VERY impressed by the fingerprint deductions, but whilst good, Pegasus doesn't always get it right




I wonder if this conundrum is setting us up for "whilst Kate was at the table, Gerry was at the apartment doing nasty things" .... or the reverse.  Or Matt etc doing nasty things?


Hope that I am wrong.

Ah, only impressed when headed in one direction.

[pegasus]

Peeps have missed the important conclusion that the window and shutter being opened from outside leads to. It solves who opens the internal door. And that's one thing Mr A did get right IMO.

[Mr Gray]

Peeps have missed the important conclusion that the window and shutter being opened from outside leads to. It solves who opens the internal door. And that's one thing Mr A did get right IMO.

perhaps you could explain what you think we have missed...at the moment you are not making much sense I'm afraid

[Miss Taken Identity]

I dont think that you are very scientifically minded, Angelo.  I don't think that you understand the nature of draughts. 


Try and work out what I am saying, there's a good fella. 

Kate is adamant that there was 'whooooshing' are you calling her a liar?


"I wonder if this conundrum is setting us up for "whilst Kate was at the table, Gerry was at the apartment doing nasty things" .... or the reverse.  Or Matt etc doing nasty things?"

Well, that is what the McCanns are telling us... something nasty happened to Maddie in that apartment... and for her to disappear allegedly from that apartment is worth looking at.

[Carana]

Peeps have missed the important conclusion that the window and shutter being opened from outside leads to. It solves who opens the internal door. And that's one thing Mr A did get right IMO.

I don't follow you on that...

[pathfinder73]

I don't follow you on that...

So somebody opened the window and the child opened the bedroom door and went into the living room. Nobody went through the window and if any intruder opened a window (that was conveniently unlocked) how did they get inside. If they had a key they wouldn't open a window to try and gain access from that side. The other side was unlocked so nobody was watching the apartment in that scenario because they would know it was unlocked. No door or gates were found open. This case will be solved when they find out what was going on inside 5A at 6:30 because all later evidence connects to that time period. They must be tracking phone evidence to where they're searching or Smithman. Phone evidence can be used as hard evidence if they find anything and connect it.

[G-Unit]

So somebody opened the window and the child opened the bedroom door and went into the living room. Nobody went through the window and if any intruder opened a window (that was conveniently unlocked) how did they get inside. If they had a key they wouldn't open a window to try and gain access from that side. The other side was unlocked so nobody was watching the apartment in that scenario because they would know it was unlocked. No door or gates were found open. This case will be solved when they find out what was going on inside 5A at 6:30 because all later evidence connects to that time period. They must be tracking phone evidence to where they're searching or Smithman. Phone evidence can be used as hard evidence if they find anything and connect it.

Is this relevant? I wonder if the 1700 time is correct?;

"I read carefully the written document/questionnaire provided by David Payne."
but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.

When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.

I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

[pathfinder73]

Is this relevant? I wonder if the 1700 time is correct?;

"I read carefully the written document/questionnaire provided by David Payne."
but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.

When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.

I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

David Payne is seen at 17:52 to 18:13

That other beach camera should be checked for all movements along the beach that night.

[Carana]

Is this relevant? I wonder if the 1700 time is correct?;

"I read carefully the written document/questionnaire provided by David Payne."
but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.

When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.

I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

I've never understood what the LP chap was actually reading. It sounds as if it had been through some kind of automatic translator or he'd been sent a draft translation.

[G-Unit]

David Payne is seen at 17:52 to 18:13

That other beach camera should be checked for all movements along the beach that night.

So in theory David Payne could have been at the McCann apartment at 17H00, but were the McCanns both there at that time? Not according to the statements, I think. Fiona says she left her apartment and went for a run at 19H30, not 19H00, so could she have been at the apartment at 19H00?  It's a very strange bit of information from this Leicester policeman.

[Carana]

So in theory David Payne could have been at the McCann apartment at 17H00, but were the McCanns both there at that time? Not according to the statements, I think. Fiona says she left her apartment and went for a run at 19H30, not 19H00, so could she have been at the apartment at 19H00?  It's a very strange bit of information from this Leicester policeman.

It sounds like he was trying to understand gibberish.