Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Angelo222]

The missing girl's hair in the boot will solve this case. It shouldn't be there. Case closed and thank you dogs.

Madeline's hair and/or dna being found in the hire car can easily be explained as secondary transfer from clothing or other items which she had contact with. Minute hairs attach themselves to all sorts of garments and can be found months later, its not rocket science.

[Mr Gray]

The missing girl's hair in the boot will solve this case. It shouldn't be there. Case closed and thank you dogs.

wrong on the hair and wrong on your interpretation of the dog's alerts

[Carana]

Madeline's hair and/or dna being found in the hire car can easily be explained as secondary transfer from clothing or other items which she had contact with. Minute hairs attach themselves to all sorts of garments and can be found months later, its not rocket science.

Not only that, but the fragments were never able to be positively identified. There were no roots * for DNA analysis, and they were too short for for mtDNA analysis - which would have been pointless anyway as the forensic mtDNA profile would have been the same for anyone of Kate's mother's bloodline, if ever they were from the family in the first place.

* ETA correction: a couple had a bit, but not enough.

[Mr Gray]

Not only that, but the fragments were never able to be positively identified. There were no roots for DNA analysis, and they were too short for for mtDNA analysis - which would have been pointless anyway as the forensic mtDNA profile would have been the same for anyone of Kate's mother's bloodline, if ever they were from the family in the first place.

It's another example of how the sceptics have misunderstood the evidence

[Angelo222]

It's another example of how the sceptics have misunderstood the evidence

Not misunderstood, more a case of overvalued.

[Mr Gray]

Not misunderstood, more a case of overvalued.

Pathfinder definitely misunderstands the relevance of hair in the car

[stephen25000]

Pathfinder definitely misunderstands the relevance of hair in the car

Why ?

[Angelo222]

Pathfinder definitely misunderstands the relevance of hair in the car

Since Madeleine was one of five members of that family and one of three children who all shared their parents dna I find it very unlikely that analysis will ever prove anything of much value.

[Mr Gray]

Since Madeleine was one of five members of that family and one of three children who all shared their parents dna I find it very unlikely that analysis will ever prove anything of much value.

pathfinder seems to think it's relevant...that's why I say he misunderstands the evidence

[Carana]

It's another example of how the sceptics have misunderstood the evidence

Starting with Amaral...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2123.0

[Alice Purjorick]

Starting with Amaral...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2123.0

He was in charge for four months in a 14 month investigation. His cock ups, if any, could have been cleared up afterwards by his successor but then the common thread would have been the magistrate in charge.
The archiving report said "nature of crime unknown" i.e as at July 2008 it was all up in the air with no evidence one way or another. It seems to be pretty much the same the now after four years of investigation by The Met and a further two by the Portuguese.

[Carana]

He was in charge for four months in a 14 month investigation. His cock ups, if any, could have been cleared up afterwards by his successor but then the common thread would have been the magistrate in charge.
The archiving report said "nature of crime unknown" i.e as at July 2008 it was all up in the air with no evidence one way or another. It seems to be pretty much the same the now after four years of investigation by The Met and a further two by the Portuguese.

Five months (just nit-picking). ;)

Some of his "misunderstandings" were clarified... e.g., the DNA / dog ones. The context of the Smith parents' doubt was clarified.

An issue now is that there is little forensic evidence to check aside from phone use or pings (unless they find the missing hairs from the bed that went walkies). Other potentially useful information concerns the child sex attacks / burglaries, the strong possibility that Tannerman was innocentdadman.

Unfortunately, it may be too late to go back into potential spare / duplicate keys or the suspicious purchase of key-duplicating, lock-picking equipment. The idea that no self-respecting Portuguese burglar knew how to pick a bog standard lock without the use of a credit card is mind-boggling to me.

[pathfinder73]

pathfinder seems to think it's relevant...that's why I say he misunderstands the evidence

They had kids clothes washed asap on Saturday 5th May. This car was rented on 27th May. They got away with things they shouldn't have. Those clothes should have taken off them for analysis immediately.

Do you think that you made any mistakes?

I made one. The error of the first hour. There are things about which I still cannot speak. But we know that there are things which could have been done in another way. No one should be shocked if we begin, immediately, to wonder if the parents were involved. (GA)

British detectives probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance want to retest some of the hairs as well as curtains hanging in the Algarve apartment where she vanished.

Scotland Yard are expected to apply for permission in a sixth international letter of request to take the samples from a Portuguese lab so experts can look at them in the UK.

Conclusion
In the objects recovered from the Scenic, there were around 15 blonde/fair hairs similar to the reference hairs from SJM2, 4 and 5. However, as it was not possible to do solid [definitive] or significant [forensically meaningful] tests it is not possible for me to determine if, or not, these could have been from Madeleine McCann.

[Carana]

They couldn't find any of her hair in 5A and had to go to England to get it. Secondary transfer lol they were getting  clothes washed asap on Saturday 5th May. This car was rented on 27th May. They got away with things they shouldn't have

Do you think that you made any mistakes?

I made one. The error of the first hour. There are things about which I still cannot speak. But we know that there are things which could have been done in another way. No one should be shocked if we begin, immediately, to wonder if the parents were involved. (GA)


British detectives probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance want to retest some of the hairs as well as curtains hanging in the Algarve apartment where she vanished.

Scotland Yard are expected to apply for permission in a sixth international letter of request to take the samples from a Portuguese lab so experts can look at them in the UK.

- There was no way of knowing whether the hairs in 5A were actually hers or not. It wasn't her hair that was important, it was attempting to find a sample of her DNA.

- Unless the laundry lady was familiar with Madeleine's clothes (why would she be?), the fact that a load supposedly with the "McCann" account on it means nothing as MW would logically have picked up the tab as part of their support for associated odd-bods who either stayed beyond their holiday-time or came out to help the family.

- What were the errors of the first hour? The only thing that comes to mind that he's ever mentioned is that the police didn't take photos of what everyone was wearing that night. Another, but hardly of the first hour, was that he didn't think to get his officers to check CCTV images before they got wiped a week later.

[pathfinder73]

- There was no way of knowing whether the hairs in 5A were actually hers or not. It wasn't her hair that was important, it was attempting to find a sample of her DNA.

- Unless the laundry lady was familiar with Madeleine's clothes (why would she be?), the fact that a load supposedly with the "McCann" account on it means nothing as MW would logically have picked up the tab as part of their support for associated odd-bods who either stayed beyond their holiday-time or came out to help the family.

- What were the errors of the first hour? The only thing that comes to mind that he's ever mentioned is that the police didn't take photos of what everyone was wearing that night. Another, but hardly of the first hour, was that he didn't think to get his officers to check CCTV images before they got wiped a week later.

Amaral should have taken the clothes off them on the 4th. Big mistake as they were washed on the 5th. You pack clothes in bags and if there's no twins hair found in the boot but the missing girl's then it doesn't take a genius to work out where they came from.