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Offline Carana

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1155 on: June 15, 2015, 05:23:11 PM »
The green suit is the handler, the dog head is visible, it is looking at the window shutter being raised by the PJ inside. The door cannot be opened from inside because it is deadlocked and no key available. The dog is let in through the only dog accessible window.

Maybe it's my eyesight. I can see two men, one below, one on a balcony. I can't work out the dog, but never mind. But if the PJ were inside, how did they get in? If they got in via a door, why didn't the dog go in that way as well?

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1157 on: June 15, 2015, 06:33:15 PM »
This should help, Carana.
https://pipeandviolin.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/page/2/


This is an interesting photo, Misty
https://pipeandviolin.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/hello-world/

We were told nobody could climb in on or out of those windows. Why aren't these pics in the files?
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Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1158 on: June 15, 2015, 07:06:55 PM »

This is an interesting photo, Misty
https://pipeandviolin.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/hello-world/

We were told nobody could climb in on or out of those windows. Why aren't these pics in the files?
Couldn't have the public knowing the PJ were ace at breaking & entering, DCI - meaning that another myth would bite the dust.
I think the photos are stills from news footage but the pipeandviolin is the only source I could find. Perhaps contacting the owner of the blog would shed some light on it all. The writing style is somewhat familiar. &%+((£
 

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1159 on: June 15, 2015, 08:14:55 PM »
The hard evidence (photo) is that there was no key available for 5J. That is the reason a window was used.
It was the same at 5A - the burglar did not have a key, so he opened a window - it's not rocket science.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2015, 08:22:36 PM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1160 on: June 15, 2015, 08:21:27 PM »
I have a PJ photo taken that night which shows a layout in the apartment (hard evidence, it is definitely the layout PJ discovered that night). But to compare, another photo with the layout wrong.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2015, 08:24:35 PM by pegasus »

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1161 on: June 15, 2015, 08:43:09 PM »
The hard evidence (photo) is that there was no key available for 5J. That is the reason a window was used.
It was the same at 5A - the burglar did not have a key, so he opened the window - it's not rocket science.

It's not the same at all. Somebody DID have a key to 5J - the presence of the food proves that - but for whatever reason that key was not made available to the PJ.
Any intruder in 5a - several options on the table regarding method of entry.

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1162 on: June 15, 2015, 08:47:05 PM »
I have a PJ photo taken that night which shows a layout in the apartment (hard evidence, it is definitely the layout PJ discovered that night). But to compare, another photo with the layout wrong.

Interesting. Please continue.

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1163 on: June 15, 2015, 08:53:26 PM »
It's not the same at all. Somebody DID have a key to 5J - the presence of the food proves that - but for whatever reason that key was not made available to the PJ.
Any intruder in 5a - several options on the table regarding method of entry.
Someone in another town or country probably UK had a key to 5J. The key was not available to the PJ and GNR handlers. It was not available from MW or from OC or from any of the local property management companies. So they opened a window. Not rocket science, nor is 5A where it is obvious the person who opened the window did not have a door key that's why they intended to climb in a window instead. Same at 5G, and maybe at 4A and 5L also, no key so use window.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2015, 08:56:10 PM by pegasus »

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1164 on: June 15, 2015, 09:00:37 PM »
Someone in another town or country probably UK had a key to 5J. The key was not available to the PJ and GNR handlers. It was not available from MW or from OC or from any of the local property management companies. So they opened a window. Not rocket science, nor is 5A where it is obvious the person who opened the window did not have a door key that's why they intended to climb in a window instead.

I agree, up until your last sentence. The interrupted intruder idea does not explain how Madeleine disappeared without trace, or any of the subsequent cover-ups.
Any flies around the rotting food, do you know?

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1166 on: June 15, 2015, 09:46:05 PM »
Someone in another town or country probably UK had a key to 5J. The key was not available to the PJ and GNR handlers. It was not available from MW or from OC or from any of the local property management companies. So they opened a window. Not rocket science, nor is 5A where it is obvious the person who opened the window did not have a door key that's why they intended to climb in a window instead. Same at 5G, and maybe at 4A and 5L also, no key so use window.

Hmmm. I can agree with some of that, but I have doubts about other bits.

The GNR didn't have a key available - ok and decided to go in through a window. Ok.

The police could have knocked the door out with an appropriate warrant, but they chose to go in in a less destructive way. Ok.

The GNR's immediate concern, bless them, was that she could have been in there as the dogs reacted.

However, I find it impossible to believe that no self-respecting PT burglar has worked out how to duplicate keys or pick bog standard locks.

It doesn't explain, eiher, why the PJ doesn't appear to have checked out why rotting food was there, nor whether that was the only explanation for the smell.

Perhaps the UK / PJ investigations now have done and have ruled it out... or not.


Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1167 on: June 15, 2015, 10:16:09 PM »
I agree, up until your last sentence. The interrupted intruder idea does not explain how Madeleine disappeared without trace, or any of the subsequent cover-ups.
Any flies around the rotting food, do you know?
It explains leaving the bedroom, fast, Misty.
Then which is the more likely continuation - run and hide, or run towards help?
Re 5J the files say old meat and veg, nothing else is mentioned.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2015, 10:20:00 PM by pegasus »

Offline sadie

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1168 on: June 15, 2015, 10:20:41 PM »
It explains keaving the bedroom Misty.
Then which is the more likely continuation - run and hide, or run towards help?
Re 5J it was just old meat and veg, nothing else is mentioned.
Pegasus. 

You keep pushing that Madeleine ran.

I dont believe she did.


I am utterly convinced from evidence / pointers afterwards, that she was abducted .... and that she still lives.

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1169 on: June 15, 2015, 10:35:46 PM »
It explains leaving the bedroom, fast, Misty.
Then which is the more likely continuation - run and hide, or run towards help?
Re 5J the files say old meat and veg, nothing else is mentioned.

If she ran & hid - she would have been found.
If she ran for help - why didn't she meet a single human being who would have reunited her with her parents?