Author Topic: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?  (Read 433958 times)

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Offline Brietta

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1215 on: June 16, 2015, 07:15:59 PM »

I found the photographic memory drawing for inclusion in Mr Amaral's book intriguing.

Does it show the actual gap between the other single bed and the window wall?


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No it doesn't ... just realised that is the chair at the side.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 07:18:23 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1216 on: June 16, 2015, 09:41:17 PM »
Hard evidence of photo before dawn 4th May:
There is white grey and red items in the pile on the first shelf up.
It is not possible with the photo quality to see exactly which white grey and red items.

Now moving briefly from hard evidence to its interpretation which is opinion:
IMO it is maybe there is white top and red top and grey trousers somewhere in that pile at the moment of photography and many hours preceding.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 09:47:21 PM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1217 on: June 16, 2015, 09:53:16 PM »
Hard evidence of photo before dawn 4th May:
There is white grey and red items in the pile on the first shelf up.
It is not possible with the photo quality to see exactly which white grey and red items.

Now moving briefly from hard evidence to its interpretation which is opinion:
IMO it is maybe there is white top and red top and grey trousers somewhere in that pile at the moment of photography and many hours preceding.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1218 on: June 16, 2015, 11:43:14 PM »
Hard evidence of photo before dawn 4th May:
There is white grey and red items in the pile on the first shelf up.
It is not possible with the photo quality to see exactly which white grey and red items.

Now moving briefly from hard evidence to its interpretation which is opinion:
IMO it is maybe there is white top and red top and grey trousers somewhere in that pile at the moment of photography and many hours preceding.

There is also something black & another something blue directly in contact with the something red(?), something white & something grey. I don't see a something black/white check, though.
I also don't think Eddie was very interested in that particular shelf.

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1219 on: June 16, 2015, 11:53:10 PM »
There is also something black & another something blue directly in contact with the something red(?), something white & something grey. I don't see a something black/white check, though.
I also don't think Eddie was very interested in that particular shelf.
IMO the photo quality is not good enough to say whether something is grey or is grey white check.
Also we see only the items on top of the visible part of the pile, not the items lower in the pile, or to the left or right.
Re that particular shelf, I guess pathfinders image collection will soon have something to say about that, so I won't stick my nose in :) 

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1220 on: June 16, 2015, 11:57:30 PM »
There is also something black & another something blue directly in contact with the something red(?), something white & something grey. I don't see a something black/white check, though.
I also don't think Eddie was very interested in that particular shelf.

I think he was very interested in it. A pile of clothes and one bag missing from pics. You would think the other bag would be on another shelf but it's not. You're right Pegasus  8(0(* those clothes are probably mostly the kids that were in a bag. Kids jacket hanging on door. Gerry collected them from the shelf the next day and the biege item on bed before 2nd set of crime photos.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2015, 12:03:15 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1221 on: June 17, 2015, 12:09:17 AM »
I'm surprised you don't have an exact nose position shot pathfinder.
Back to hard evidence, just looking at the PJ photos of this pair of cupboards you can see 4 places no-one mentioned searching.

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1222 on: June 17, 2015, 12:11:41 AM »
I think he was very interested in it. A pile of clothes and one bag missing from pics. You would think the other bag would be on another shelf but it's not.

As the photos have no time & date stamp on them, it's a little difficult to state when the clothes & the case were removed from the wardrobe. Pegasus supplied this photo dated 5/5/07 a while ago,  showing luggage being moved.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1223 on: June 17, 2015, 01:02:03 AM »
I'm surprised you don't have an exact nose position shot pathfinder.
Back to hard evidence, just looking at the PJ photos of this pair of cupboards you can see 4 places no-one mentioned searching.

 8(0(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1224 on: June 17, 2015, 01:06:37 AM »
As the photos have no time & date stamp on them, it's a little difficult to state when the clothes & the case were removed from the wardrobe. Pegasus supplied this photo dated 5/5/07 a while ago,  showing luggage being moved.

White bag need to verify from airport cctv SAT 28 April 2007.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1225 on: June 17, 2015, 01:31:30 AM »
8(0(*


Eddie's nose is at the wrong end of the wardrobe, P/F 8)--)).
Have you found the exact locations of all 5 backpacks in the crime scene photos, per chance?


Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1226 on: June 17, 2015, 01:43:49 AM »
Eddie's nose is at the wrong end of the wardrobe, P/F 8)--)).
Have you found the exact locations of all 5 backpacks in the crime scene photos, per chance?

The door is closed that side. 3 carry on luggage - Kate's green one, Gerry's red and a black/white one.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1227 on: June 17, 2015, 02:58:39 AM »
Eddie's nose is at the wrong end of the wardrobe, P/F 8)--)).
Have you found the exact locations of all 5 backpacks in the crime scene photos, per chance?
No it's not the wrong end. It is correct. In pathfinder's very good pair of photos, Eddies nose is exactly at the left end of the jumbled pile of clothes.
The PJ photo is hard evidence which tells us exactly which shelf the pile of clothes was on.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2015, 03:20:11 AM by pegasus »

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1228 on: June 17, 2015, 08:55:26 AM »
No it's not the wrong end. It is correct. In pathfinder's very good pair of photos, Eddies nose is exactly at the left end of the jumbled pile of clothes.
The PJ photo is hard evidence which tells us exactly which shelf the pile of clothes was on.

Hmmmm ... so Eddie's nose for 'the scent of death' homed in on a shelf on which clothing had been placed.

The 'hard evidence' for which is a still taken from a video ... please check the video again to confirm that Eddie's nose was all over the place in the video and only fleetingly ~ between 16:53 and 16:54 ~ was in the area shown in the still.

That one definitely isn't going to hold water, Pegasus, in common with everything else to do with the 'record' we have seen of the searches in Duarte Levy's videos.

Not hard evidence ... not really any evidence at all.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline xtina

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1229 on: June 17, 2015, 10:26:24 AM »
https://web.archive.org/web/20070430115803/http://www.ceop.gov.uk/mccann.html





 
The page says “Help Find Madeleine McCann” and it features an old photo of Madeleine taken before her holiday in Portugal.


The Wayback Machine has grabbed billions of pages dating back to the 1990s.


What were CEOP doing advertising Madeleine as missing on their website, 3-days before she was reported missing to Portuguese police
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.