Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...

[Alfred R Jones]

Well do you believe in the accidental death scenario, or the usual alternative of Madeleine walking out of the apartment , and  disappearing ?

People can believe what they wish.

Meanwhile we have the second comers, where  the originator believes Madeleine is the second coming, and firmly believes, he and Madeleine are descended from JC. 

Well it takes all sorts, doesn't it Alfred  ?

You are obsessed with the Second Coming theory but that is not what this thread is about.  Personally I think the abduction theory is the ONLY plausible explanation for Madeleine's disappearance as I am still waiting to hear an alternative that is remotely convincing.  That said there are people who maintain that abduction is a ridiculous theory and it is to those people that this thread is appealing.

[stephen25000]

You are obsessed with the Second Coming theory but that is not what this thread is about.  Personally I think the abduction theory is the ONLY plausible explanation for Madeleine's disappearance as I am still waiting to hear an alternative that is remotely convincing.  That said there are people who maintain that abduction is a ridiculous theory and it is to those people that this thread is appealing.

Sorry alfred to disappoint you, but I'm not obsessed with the 'second coming', I'm laughing at it.

It reflects the mind set of several mccann supporters.

As to the 'abduction' , you support that , despite not one iota of evidence to support it.

[Alfred R Jones]

Sorry alfred to disappoint you, but I'm not obsessed with the 'second coming', I'm laughing at it.

It reflects the mind set of several mccann supporters.

As to the 'abduction' , you support that , despite note one iota of evidence to support it.

The only person on here who ever mentions the Second Coming theory is you.

Now, I am not a "supporter" of the abduction theory, I simply happen to think it is the most plausible explanation for Madeleine's disappearance,  do you agree that it is a plausible theory?  If not, why not?

[stephen25000]

The only person on here who ever mentions the Second Coming theory is you.

Now, I am not a "supporter" of the abduction theory, I simply happen to think it is the most plausible explanation for Madeleine's disappearance,  do you agree that it is a plausible theory?  If not, why not?

Why is it the most plausible theory alfred ?

You have yet to answer that.

and not one even vague piecebof evidence to back it up ?

Now if you accept the accidental death theory and Madeleine walking out of the apartment,  as plausible theories, we might find sdome common ground.

As to the 'second comers', this is merely exposing the lunatic fringe which exists in the realm of the mccann supporters, and some posters on here know full who I mean, as they post on here as well as the forum where the originator of the second coming dwells.

[Alice Purjorick]

Rubbish

The back streets of Pdl are almost like a ghost town at the beginning of May.

Go and look for yourself

Like a ghost town apart from the T9 playing shuttle walks along there by their own admission. I am only quoting from posts on here. There seems to be a confusion whether there are people there or not or whether there are cars there or not or whether ....... well you name it, the arguments and detail will shift with the sands it would seem according to the point you wish to make.
Rubbish is hardly a definitive statement is it?

[Alice Purjorick]

No, I have no reason to doubt the McCann statements, how about you though?  Do you believe that all the statements given that night were given as truthful accounts of events that evening?  If you believe that something unspeakable happened to Madeleine that evening and that her parents were involved in a cover up then I guess you'd be struggling with the "proud father" statement, correct?

Where are all these car owners' etc statements then, if they were busy traipsing around outside Apt 5a all evening?

If Gerry said he had a proud father moment I have no basis for a contrary opinion. You believe him therefore your time period quoted was in error. The start time is gone 21:00 not 20:45.
As for the car owners and statements I don't know. Ask those who insist that a shedful of parked cars cocked up the sight lines when Jane walked past Jez and Gerry. Bun and ha'penny old chap you can't have both.

[Alice Purjorick]

The Hatton Garden Heist happened. A busy London street & plenty of security didn't stop it. Windows of opportunity aren't limited to a few minutes.

Shall we play spot the difference with respect to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and The Hatton Garden Heist?

[Alfred R Jones]

If Gerry said he had a proud father moment I have no basis for a contrary opinion. You believe him therefore your time period quoted was in error. The start time is gone 21:00 not 20:45.
As for the car owners and statements I don't know. Ask those who insist that a shedful of parked cars cocked up the sight lines when Jane walked past Jez and Gerry. Bun and ha'penny old chap you can't have both.

Well that's interesting.  You accept that Gerry's statement was truthful?  Then surely it must be hard to reconcile Gerry's statement with theories of an accidental death leaving cadaver odour in the apartment, unless I have misunderstood?

I wasn't aware that there was a shed, nor that it was full of cars, anywhere near the apartment.  Of course if there were cars parked along the road it doesn't necessarily follow that their owners were to'ing and fro'ing between car and elsewhere all night long.  My car has been parked outside my house all day and I've not been anywhere near it since yesterday.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why is it the most plausible theory alfred ?

You have yet to answer that.

and not one even vague piecebof evidence to back it up ?

Now if you accept the accidental death theory and Madeleine walking out of the apartment,  as plausible theories, we might find sdome common ground.

As to the 'second comers', this is merely exposing the lunatic fringe which exists in the realm of the mccann supporters, and some posters on here know full who I mean, as they post on here as well as the forum where the originator of the second coming dwells.

Stephen, this thread is to discuss why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible - over to you...

[stephen25000]

Stephen, this thread is to discuss why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible - over to you...

I.e. you have no answer.

I have already given some of my reasons.

That will suffice for now.

You clearly can't supply anything in the way of evidence to support your belief in abduction, other than the normal pro-mccann propaganda.

[Alice Purjorick]

Well that's interesting.  You accept that Gerry's statement was truthful?  Then surely it must be hard to reconcile Gerry's statement with theories of an accidental death leaving cadaver odour in the apartment, unless I have misunderstood?

I wasn't aware that there was a shed, nor that it was full of cars, anywhere near the apartment. Of course if there were cars parked along the road it doesn't necessarily follow that their owners were to'ing and fro'ing between car and elsewhere all night long. My car has been parked outside my house all day and I've not been anywhere near it since yesterday.

Is it?
I said I had no basis for a contrary opinion.
Ha ha.
I did not say the car owners were to-ing and fro-ing.
So?

[mercury]

Great, so we can agree on something - abduction is a plausible theory to explain Madeleine's disappearance..

How many times would you like to state the same thing?
I don't remember anyone ever saying it is totally implausible, one of the main reasons being is that no one knows!
Whether it is probable is easier to answer, ie no, it is not "probable". That is taking too great a leap.

You are essentially just asking what people believe and why. Which is a bit of a pointless exercise IMO.

[Alfred R Jones]

Is it?
I said I had no basis for a contrary opinion.
Ha ha.
I did not say the car owners were to-ing and fro-ing.
So?

so what are you saying, anything at all or just playing games?

[Alfred R Jones]

I.e. you have no answer.

I have already given some of my reasons.

That will suffice for now.

You clearly can't supply anything in the way of evidence to support your belief in abduction, other than the normal pro-mccann propaganda.

You have given two reasons 1) someone would have snitched by now and 2) Madeleine was too heavy.  Thanks for those, very compelling reasons 

[stephen25000]

You have given two reasons 1) someone would have snitched by now and 2) Madeleine was too heavy.  Thanks for those, very compelling reasons 

Laugh all you like alfred.

There is not a shred of evidence of abduction.

So it would appear you like to live in cloud cuckoo land.

You do indeed have a lot in common with the second comers.

Now tell me Alfred, why would an abductor remove an older chil!d rather than a younger bone, who would have fewer memories and be a lot easier to handle ?

As you know paedophile rings have been questioned and again, no trace of Madeleine has been revealed.

Perhaps sdhe is living with a really nice family who have never heard of this story.