Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...

[Mr Gray]

Laugh all you like alfred.

There is not a shred of evidence of abduction.

So it would appear you like to live in cloud cuckoo land.

Now tell me Alfred, why would an abductor remove an older chil!d rather than a younger bone, who would have fewer memories and be a lot easier to handle ?

As you know paedophile rings have been questioned and again, no trace of Madeleine has been revealed.

Perhaps sdhe is living with a really nice family who have never heard of this story.

there is evidence of abduction...fact

[ShiningInLuz]

Why choose her?

Was Madeleine the chosen one?  Or was she merely one of eight, all in a very young age range, thrown into an inherently vulnerable situation? Was Madeleine merely the unlucky one?

If there is a better thread for this line of conjecture, folks, I would appreciate it if you would point me at it.

 

[sadie]

Well do you believe in the accidental death scenario, or the usual alternative of Madeleine walking out of the apartment , and  disappearing ?

People can believe what they wish.

Meanwhile we have the second comers, where  the originator believes Madeleine is the second coming, and firmly believes, he and Madeleine are descended from JC. 

Well it takes all sorts, doesn't it Alfred  ?

Well we already have someone on this forum whose family believe they are descended from Jesus. 

Lyall is a St Clare [Sinclair] and there is fairly wide belief that this family are descended from Jesus.  The Sinclairs are also the people of the mysterious Rosslyn Chapel just seven miles south of Edinburgh [Dan Brown and all that]


It is widely thought that Jesus did NOT die on the cross but was rescued by Mary Magdelene and some friends.  It is thought that he was taken initially to Cyprus, then on to the South of France.   It is thought that he married Mary and together they produced a family, of which the St Clares are direct issue.

Look it up yourselves on the internet , if you dont believe me.



Despite what The Catholic Church claims, Jesus was a Jew.  He came from what is now Israel and the people who lived in Israel, Judea, Ammon etc were called Caananites.  It was a general term covering all 12 tribes of Dan in that region at Jesuses time..


Gerry McCann is also almost certainly of a Jewish bloodline, originating in Israel or one of the 12 Caananite sub-regions


PLEASE NOTE THAT SPELLINGS CHANGE THRU THE CENTURIES.


Mc / Mac means * OF *,

So Mccann means " OF Cann "


Kates family name, Healey, is definitely Jewish.  I found that on a Jewish names website.


With both parents bloodlines being Jewish and it seems Gerrys (and possibly Kates) originatiing at Old Testament Biblical times from Caanan, [Palestine] there is a definite possibilty that Madeleine, (Beth!), could be descended from Jesus.


All the research has been done by me, as a keen ameteur ... and it is possible that I have reached incorrect conclusions.

BUT so much is now falling into place, that I think I am right.


Madeleine has Jewish blood and could be descended from Jesus. 
Some people may be able to trace back via the Clare bloodline, or some other Jewish [ ?Clare, Mccann or Healey? ] bloodline.  I am too tired to do that.

[stephen25000]

there is evidence of abduction...fact

Of course there is dave, and the moon is made of  green cheese. *&*%£

[stephen25000]

Well we already have someone on this forum whose family believe they are descended from Jesus. 

Lyall is a St Clare [Sinclair] and there is fairly wide belief that this family are descended from Jesus.  The Sinclairs are also the people of the mysterious Rosslyn Chapel just seven miles south of Edinburgh [Dan Brown and all that]


It is widely thought that Jesus did NOT die on the cross but was rescued by Mary Magdelene and some friends.  It is thought that he was taken initially to Cyprus, then on to the South of France.   It is thought that he married Mary and together they produced a family, of which the St Clares are direct issue.

Look it up yourselves on the internet , if you dont believe me.



Despite what The Catholic Church claims, Jesus was a Jew.  He came from what is now Israel and the people who lived in Israel, Judea, Ammon etc were called Cananites.  It was a general term covering all 12 tribes of Dan in that region at Jesuses time..


Gerry McCann is also almost certainly of a Jewish bloodline, originating in Israel or one of the 12 Caananite sub-regions


Mc / Mac means * OF *,

So Mccann means " OF Cann "


Kates family name, Healey, is definitely Jewish.  I found that on a Jewish names website.


With both parents bloodlines being Jewish and it seems Gerrys (and possibly Kates) originatiing at Old Testament Biblical times from Caanan, [Palestine] there is a definite possibilty that Madeleine, (Beth!), could be descended from Jesus.


All the research has been done by me, as a keen ameteur ... and it is possible that I have reached incorrect solutions,



BUT so much is now falling into place, that I think I am right.


Madeleine has Jewish blood and could be descended from Jesus. 
Some people may be able to trace back via the Clare bloodline, or some other Jewish [ ?Clare, Mccann or Healey? ] bloodline.  I am too tired to do that.

Beyond sight and sound….....

We have now entered the Twilight Zone.

[jassi]

Beyond sight and sound….....

We have now entered the Twilight Zone.

I'm sure a psychiatrist would have a field day, not to mention material for several learned publications   

[Alice Purjorick]

so what are you saying, anything at all or just playing games?

About twenty to five pm civilian time today I posted:
IMO it is starting to look improbable. Implausible? well no as Cocker's Law applies everywhere.
 
My opinion hasn't changed but for reasons best known to your self you ignored that preferring to ask questions which I answered.
My opinion however remains.

IMO it is starting to look improbable. Implausible? well no as Cocker's Law applies everywhere.
 
Is that plain enough now?

[mercury]

Well we already have someone on this forum whose family believe they are descended from Jesus. 

Lyall is a St Clare [Sinclair] and there is fairly wide belief that this family are descended from Jesus.  The Sinclairs are also the people of the mysterious Rosslyn Chapel just seven miles south of Edinburgh [Dan Brown and all that]


It is widely thought that Jesus did NOT die on the cross but was rescued by Mary Magdelene and some friends.  It is thought that he was taken initially to Cyprus, then on to the South of France.   It is thought that he married Mary and together they produced a family, of which the St Clares are direct issue.

Look it up yourselves on the internet , if you dont believe me.



Despite what The Catholic Church claims, Jesus was a Jew.  He came from what is now Israel and the people who lived in Israel, Judea, Ammon etc were called Caananites.  It was a general term covering all 12 tribes of Dan in that region at Jesuses time..


Gerry McCann is also almost certainly of a Jewish bloodline, originating in Israel or one of the 12 Caananite sub-regions


PLEASE NOTE THAT SPELLINGS CHANGE THRU THE CENTURIES.


Mc / Mac means * OF *,

So Mccann means " OF Cann "


Kates family name, Healey, is definitely Jewish.  I found that on a Jewish names website.


With both parents bloodlines being Jewish and it seems Gerrys (and possibly Kates) originatiing at Old Testament Biblical times from Caanan, [Palestine] there is a definite possibilty that Madeleine, (Beth!), could be descended from Jesus.


All the research has been done by me, as a keen ameteur ... and it is possible that I have reached incorrect conclusions.

BUT so much is now falling into place, that I think I am right.


Madeleine has Jewish blood and could be descended from Jesus. 
Some people may be able to trace back via the Clare bloodline, or some other Jewish [ ?Clare, Mccann or Healey? ] bloodline.  I am too tired to do that.

You're  having a laugh!! OMG!


 

[sadie]

Beyond sight and sound….....

We have now entered the Twilight Zone.

Be a little adventurous, Stephen and think laterally for a while.

It would broaden your horizons. %£&)**#

[stephen25000]

Be a little adventurous, Stephen and think laterally for a while.

It would broaden your horizons. %£&)**#

The entire works of Shakespeare have been translated into the 'original Klingon' language sadie.

I believe your theories as much as I believe that Klingonese is a real language.

[Carew]

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"I have an opinion on what happened and that is that Madeleine was abducted by someone who wanted to abuse her and who then killed her and disposed of her body in the environs of PdL.  It has already been proven by forensic examination of the timeline that there was an opportunity for an abductor to remove her from the apartment at some point between the time the McCanns left for dinner and 10pm.  It's the only explanation as far as I am concerned that fits all the known facts. "



Thankyou for the repeat quote.

Why would "someone" select Madeleine in particular.......and make her abduction plausible ?

A forensic timeline has identified an opportunity, as you say,  at some point between the time the McCanns left for dinner and 10 PM.............Any window of opportunity has therefore been identified retrospectively.

Without this benefit of "hindsight", how would the alleged abductor know for how long and when any opportunity would last or end?

How would the unpredictable comings and goings impact on the potential risks involved...........and what would make the motivation to abduct this particular child irresistible?

[jassi]

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"I have an opinion on what happened and that is that Madeleine was abducted by someone who wanted to abuse her and who then killed her and disposed of her body in the environs of PdL.  It has already been proven by forensic examination of the timeline that there was an opportunity for an abductor to remove her from the apartment at some point between the time the McCanns left for dinner and 10pm.  It's the only explanation as far as I am concerned that fits all the known facts. "





Thankyou for the repeat quote.

Why would "someone" select Madeleine in particular.......and make her abduction plausible ?

A forensic timeline has identified an opportunity, as you say,  at some point between the time the McCanns left for dinner and 10 PM.............Any window of opportunity has therefore been identified retrospectively.

Without this benefit of "hindsight", how would the alleged abductor know for how long and when any opportunity would last or end?

How would the unpredictable comings and goings impact on the potential risks involved...........and what would make the motivation to abduct this particular child irresistible?

Madeleine, of course, was there at about 9 o'clock because Gerry says he saw her, so the window of opportunity has shrunk dramatically.

[Alfred R Jones]

About twenty to five pm civilian time today I posted:
IMO it is starting to look improbable. Implausible? well no as Cocker's Law applies everywhere.
 
My opinion hasn't changed but for reasons best known to your self you ignored that preferring to ask questions which I answered.
My opinion however remains.

IMO it is starting to look improbable. Implausible? well no as Cocker's Law applies everywhere.
 
Is that plain enough now?

No, because you haven't elucidated the reasons why, based on the on the known facts of this case, you personally believe abduction to be improbable in this instance.

[Alfred R Jones]

Quote

"I have an opinion on what happened and that is that Madeleine was abducted by someone who wanted to abuse her and who then killed her and disposed of her body in the environs of PdL.  It has already been proven by forensic examination of the timeline that there was an opportunity for an abductor to remove her from the apartment at some point between the time the McCanns left for dinner and 10pm.  It's the only explanation as far as I am concerned that fits all the known facts. "



Thankyou for the repeat quote.

Why would "someone" select Madeleine in particular.......and make her abduction plausible ?

A forensic timeline has identified an opportunity, as you say,  at some point between the time the McCanns left for dinner and 10 PM.............Any window of opportunity has therefore been identified retrospectively.

Without this benefit of "hindsight", how would the alleged abductor know for how long and when any opportunity would last or end?

How would the unpredictable comings and goings impact on the potential risks involved...........and what would make the motivation to abduct this particular child irresistible?

This thread is for you to tell us why you believe abduction to be both improbable and implausible, not for me to justify my opinions, so over to you...

[ShiningInLuz]

Like a ghost town apart from the T9 playing shuttle walks along there by their own admission. I am only quoting from posts on here. There seems to be a confusion whether there are people there or not or whether there are cars there or not or whether ....... well you name it, the arguments and detail will shift with the sands it would seem according to the point you wish to make.
Rubbish is hardly a definitive statement is it?

The area in the immediate vicinity of 5A is very quiet at night on every night after about 8PM for a simple reason.
There is no commercial venture open for a radius of perhaps 100m-150m at that time of night, with the exception of the Tapas.
During the day, the road beside 5A is on the normal route from the one-way system to Baptista (plus Commercial Centre) and it buzzes with traffic like flies on sugar.
At night it is much more quiet.  Shutters get drawn.  Locals go indoor to cook a meal.  Turistas wander on foot to wherever they get half board.
The comment quoted above is correct.  The T9 say shuttles were happening.  Raj Balu and Neil Berry say their foursome was overlooking the Tapas entrance.  The visitor to 605 says she was driven past block 5 shortly after 9.58.
If that lot is all true, the area was on hyper-drive.