The parents of a missing child don't matter.

[G-Unit]

Why would anyone need to be involved in politics to be aware of social media?

I fail to see the point of your question, although I'm sure you have one.


Why are political blogs and tweets described by you as 'mire'? Where are they so we can see them.

You mean you have read nothing from#mccann?


ISIS recruiters use social media do they? I don't really know anything about that.

Hmmm … current affairs not really your thing then, glad I was able to inform.


If 'there are organised campaigns of malice directed towards the parents of a missing child' where are they?

New to the internet are you?  Just type in Madeleine McCann and see what interesting places you can visit … then you may already be familiar with them and find it all quite innocuous … who can tell?


Do you have any basis for saying that someone is 'pulling the strings'? Please provide more information to support thia allegation.

LOL … at exactly the same moment in time … some individuals think it a good idea to set up a petition on …………… fill in the blanks. 

Then at exactly the same moment in time individuals independently come up with the idea of bombarding the phone lines of a television programme seeking information about a missing child.

Organised and coordinated cyber attacks on charity websites.

Organised and coordinated attacks on newspaper comments to the extent many newspapers no longer allow comments on a McCann article.
 
Is someone pulling the strings or are they the forerunners of ~
Telepathy-like brain-to-brain communication achieved across 5000 miles: What does it mean?
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/15103/20140908/telepathy-like-brain-to-brain-communication-achieved-across-5000-miles-what-does-it-mean.htm

Just for information ... debate does not consist of firing off a string of questions ... it goes along the lines of starting a sentence along the lines of ...
"I do not agree with what you have said because .............."  If you try it you may find it a more constructive and satisfying approach.

I have difficulty sometimes understanding what point (apart from 'look at all the mcCann bashing') you are trying to make. That's why it's difficult to answer you.

I don't see how #mccann can be described as political. I look at it occasionally because it tends to get any latest news out quickly. I ignore the idiots on there (of both hues) and would have thought any intelligent person would do likewise. I don't trawl the internet looking for derogatory comments about the McCanns, I look for information which seems to have a basis in fact. Some people try to organise petitions and some say silly things on websites, but I doubt if they're as organised as you seem to think. I believe someone tried to get  Leanne's gofundme page stopped and she had to prove it was above board to continue with her appeal for Goncalo Amaral.

[stephen25000]

Why would anyone need to be involved in politics to be aware of social media?

I fail to see the point of your question, although I'm sure you have one.


Why are political blogs and tweets described by you as 'mire'? Where are they so we can see them.

You mean you have read nothing from#mccann?


ISIS recruiters use social media do they? I don't really know anything about that.

Hmmm … current affairs not really your thing then, glad I was able to inform.


If 'there are organised campaigns of malice directed towards the parents of a missing child' where are they?

New to the internet are you?  Just type in Madeleine McCann and see what interesting places you can visit … then you may already be familiar with them and find it all quite innocuous … who can tell?


Do you have any basis for saying that someone is 'pulling the strings'? Please provide more information to support thia allegation.

LOL … at exactly the same moment in time … some individuals think it a good idea to set up a petition on …………… fill in the blanks. 

Then at exactly the same moment in time individuals independently come up with the idea of bombarding the phone lines of a television programme seeking information about a missing child.

Organised and coordinated cyber attacks on charity websites.

Organised and coordinated attacks on newspaper comments to the extent many newspapers no longer allow comments on a McCann article.
 
Is someone pulling the strings or are they the forerunners of ~
Telepathy-like brain-to-brain communication achieved across 5000 miles: What does it mean?
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/15103/20140908/telepathy-like-brain-to-brain-communication-achieved-across-5000-miles-what-does-it-mean.htm

Just for information ... debate does not consist of firing off a string of questions ... it goes along the lines of starting a sentence along the lines of ...
"I do not agree with what you have said because .............."  If you try it you may find it a more constructive and satisfying approach.

What you seem completely unable to comprehend, is that many people don't believe the mccanns story.

Whist there are small groups of people on either side who operate in groups, it does mean there is a conspiracy against the mccanns.

[Carew]

OK ... let's take it step by step ... my post was not attached to your post ... it was my reply to your post. 

However your outrage seems to indicate that my "material" has hit a mark and illustrates exactly the type of unwarranted vilification to which Madeleine McCann's parents have been subject for over eight years.

There sure is someone out there who doesn't want Madeleine found ... if you took the blinkers off for a millisecond you might realise it is neither of her parents.

......erm, no! 

You seem to have used a post of mine as an excuse to eventually launch into an unrelated lecture about 8 years of vilification of the parents , my blinkered outrage and your hitting the mark !


 Quote from: Carew on May 30, 2015, 10:27:10 AM

If she had not been alive when she left the apartment........which is being considered as a possibility according to SY comments..........then it figures that the removers did not want her found.

 Could this have led to a "strategy" designed to prevent her being found?


 

[Brietta]

I have difficulty sometimes understanding what point (apart from 'look at all the mcCann bashing') you are trying to make. That's why it's difficult to answer you.

I don't see how #mccann can be described as political. I look at it occasionally because it tends to get any latest news out quickly. I ignore the idiots on there (of both hues) and would have thought any intelligent person would do likewise. I don't trawl the internet looking for derogatory comments about the McCanns, I look for information which seems to have a basis in fact. Some people try to organise petitions and some say silly things on websites, but I doubt if they're as organised as you seem to think. I believe someone tried to get  Leanne's gofundme page stopped and she had to prove it was above board to continue with her appeal for Goncalo Amaral.

Don't you think that sometimes you have difficulty in responding to what I have posted for reason it is irrefutable.

For example there is no dearth of examples of  exactly what the Drs McCann have suffered as the parents of a missing child as one is spoiled for choice with eight years of background material to choose from.

[stephen25000]

Don't you think that sometimes you have difficulty in responding to what I have posted for reason it is irrefutable.

For example there is no dearth of examples of  exactly what the Drs McCann have suffered as the parents of a missing child as one is spoiled for choice with eight years of background material to choose from.

A 'suffering' that was a result of their own actions.

[Benice]

I'll discuss your post Brietta, point by point.

Why would anyone need to be involved in politics to be aware of social media?

Why are political blogs and tweets described by you as 'mire'? Where are they so we can see them.

ISIS recruiters use social media do they? I don't really know anything about that.

If 'there are organised campaigns of malice directed towards the parents of a missing child' where are they?

Do you have any basis for saying that someone is 'pulling the strings'? Please provide more information to support thia allegation.

What about the leafletting campaign organised by Tony Bennet and Co when libellous leaflets were distributed around the McCanns village. 

Despite his promise to desist - (after his court case) - to this day he still persists in trying to organise people to join him in his ongoing campaign against the McCanns - e.g. by urging folk to write to the same people he writes to.

If those actions don't come under the heading of sustained  'organised malice' against the parents of a missing child  - I don't know what does.

[stephen25000]

What about the leafletting campaign organised by Tony Bennet and Co when libellous leaflets were distributed around the McCanns village. 

Despite his promise to desist - (after his court case) - to this day he still persists in trying to organise people to join him in his ongoing campaign against the McCanns - e.g. by urging folk to write to the same people he writes to.

If those actions don't come under the heading of sustained  'organised malice' against the parents of a missing child  - I don't know what does.

Let's not forget the DOSSIER

Please remind me who died.

[G-Unit]

Don't you think that sometimes you have difficulty in responding to what I have posted for reason it is irrefutable.

For example there is no dearth of examples of  exactly what the Drs McCann have suffered as the parents of a missing child as one is spoiled for choice with eight years of background material to choose from.

I have difficulty in responding to what you post because it consists mostly of opinion, which is obviously irrefutable because it has no basis in fact.

If there is 'no dearth' of examples of 'what the Drs McCann have suffered' then please give examples, although what it has to do with this forum I don't know.

They are the parents of a missing child, true. They are also a couple who's version of events is not believed by everyone. Because of their inconsistent stories they aroused the suspicions of the Portuguese police and were eventually made arguidos. Although not enough evidence was collected to charge them the fact remains that they have failed to convince many people that they told the truth. The only people to blame for that is the McCanns, no-one else.

[G-Unit]

What about the leafletting campaign organised by Tony Bennet and Co when libellous leaflets were distributed around the McCanns village. 

Despite his promise to desist - (after his court case) - to this day he still persists in trying to organise people to join him in his ongoing campaign against the McCanns - e.g. by urging folk to write to the same people he writes to.

If those actions don't come under the heading of sustained  'organised malice' against the parents of a missing child  - I don't know what does.

I don't know how many people are influenced by Tony Bennett. From what I know not many. He can't be accused of hiding, at least. Everything he says he says under his own name. I also have no idea what his motivation is. It may be malice or it may be something else. You can say it's 'organised malice', but that is just your opinion.

The parents of a stolen child must suffer terribly. Although the McCanns say their child was stolen we only have their word for it. There is no proof of what happened to Madeleine Mccann. She is missing and hopefully one day someone will be able to prove what happened to her. Until then people will wonder and discuss the case. Some believe the parent's story, some don't. Attacking people for their honest opinions achieves nothing useful at all in my opinion. The worst attacks I have seen, to be honest, are upon those who doubt their story.

[Alice Purjorick]

"well the last time a dossier was presented to the law as being "the smoking gun" the cops and CPS metaphorically laughed in the face of the presenters."

Nothing exemplifies the disdain in which the parents of a missing child are held by the Leicestershire Police and CPS than the lack of action on this and the attacks on Madeleine McCann's parents without let up over the past eight years.

It takes a special kind of person to revel in that level of abuse being tolerated and allowed to continue without let or hindrance by the authorities.

You seem to be ignoring the basic questions. Lest ye forget they were:
You clearly believe there has been a strategy. In your opinion has this strategy been implemented by a lone nutter? or is it a carefully coordinated strategy involving a group of people?. What do you suppose is the long term aim for this strategy?

[Benice]

I don't know how many people are influenced by Tony Bennett. From what I know not many. He can't be accused of hiding, at least. Everything he says he says under his own name. I also have no idea what his motivation is. It may be malice or it may be something else. You can say it's 'organised malice', but that is just your opinion.

The parents of a stolen child must suffer terribly. Although the McCanns say their child was stolen we only have their word for it. There is no proof of what happened to Madeleine Mccann. She is missing and hopefully one day someone will be able to prove what happened to her. Until then people will wonder and discuss the case. Some believe the parent's story, some don't. Attacking people for their honest opinions achieves nothing useful at all in my opinion. The worst attacks I have seen, to be honest, are upon those who doubt their story.

[/b]

There is no proof of what happened to Ben Needham either.   I find the idea that his family may be culpable simply on the grounds of  'no proof' as bizarre as the McCanns being suspected of the disposal of Madeleine on those same grounds  - and for the same reasons too i.e.:

There is not a scrap of evidence that either families were capable of even thinking about committing such a vile crime against their own beloved children  - let alone carrying it out.   No adverse evidence about the kind of families they are -  either before or since they lost their children has emerged to change my mind.   It's obvious that both children were loved and wanted.

Both families are still trying to keep their missing child's profile in the public's mind.   IMO it's a strange kind of mindset that believes guilty people would CHOOSE to embark on such a personally dangerous course of action year in year out -  which clearly involves the serious risk of their own incarceration being the final outcome - when they have no need to.      That makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Pure speculation on my part but I suspect that quite a few of Tony Bennet's opinions are 'shared' by his co-horts who are willing and able to promote identical opinions to those he cannot express himself in public.

IMO there is a vast difference between folk who choose to hurl abuse at one another on the internet (they can get on with it IMO)  and the fact that sustained malice is directed at the parents of a missing child via the internet on a daily basis and has been for the last 8 years.   Your comment appears to relate to the former.  My concern refers to the latter.

[Brietta]

A 'suffering' that was a result of their own actions.

Interesting you should say that in an attempt to justify the contemptible eight year campaigns to hound the parents of a missing child which attempt to block every single move Madeleine McCann's parents have ever initiated in the attempt to find out what happened to their daughter.

[Brietta]

What you seem completely unable to comprehend, is that many people don't believe the mccanns story.

Whist there are small groups of people on either side who operate in groups, it does mean there is a conspiracy against the mccanns.

I completely understand there is a core of maliciously motivated people who debase words such as 'Truth' or 'Justice' in Madeleine's name.  I am also of the understanding that some do better than make ends meet using the tragic case of a missing little girl to suit their own ends.

Whether these people choose to believe a convicted perjurer or whether they choose to disbelieve the parents of a missing child ... is entirely up to them.

To have participated in an eight year daily campaign against Madeleine McCann's parents, as some have, is something beyond understanding and decency.

[stephen25000]

Interesting you should say that in an attempt to justify the contemptible eight year campaigns to hound the parents of a missing child which attempt to block every single move Madeleine McCann's parents have ever initiated in the attempt to find out what happened to their daughter.

The investigation into Madeleine's disappearance has never been blocked.

You need to smell the coffee.

[stephen25000]

I completely understand there is a core of maliciously motivated people who debase words such as 'Truth' or 'Justice' in Madeleine's name.  I am also of the understanding that some do better than make ends meet using the tragic case of a missing little girl to suit their own ends.

Whether these people choose to believe a convicted perjurer or whether they choose to disbelieve the parents of a missing child ... is entirely up to them.

To have participated in an eight year daily campaign against Madeleine McCann's parents, as some have, is something beyond understanding and decency.

Your clear hatred of Amaral blocks your reasoning.