What/where should have been investigated,but was not?

[Anna]

It seem that several members are interested in area around 5A,  that was not investigated such as the lift shaft, 5F and the area under 5a. This discussion was started in another thread. I would appreciate it being continued here. It is very interesting.

[jassi]

It seem that several members are interested in area around 5A,  that was not investigated such as the lift shaft, 5F and the area under 5a. This discussion was started in another thread. I would appreciate it being continued here. It is very interesting.

Is the existence of that area confirmed, or merely alleged ?

[Eleanor]

I am shocked to discover that this wasn't done.

[Carana]

Maybe John /Admin can move posts over here,.

Bretta and I have raised these issues several times.

[Carana]

Is the existence of that area confirmed, or merely alleged ?

Where?

I found the architect's plan of CL and the photo showing where the entrance had been tiled over with seemingly no recent sign of works. I'll post them again when I find them.

Re Block 5 - I checked with an architect who did their best to explain to me.

These buildings are on a slope.

There are two solutions:
- one is costly and would involve technical bla, bla.... basicly filling in the ground and compounding it to level the area.

. the other is to create a void, which is less expensive, and useful for access in the event of future major works.

[jassi]

Where?

I found the architect's plan of CL and the photo showing where the entrance had been tiled over with seemingly no recent sign of works. I'll post them again when I find them.

Re Block 5 - I checked with an architect who did their best to explain to me.

These buildings are on a slope.

There are two solutions:
- one is costly and would involve technical bla, bla.... basicly filling in the ground and compounding it to level the area.

. the other is to create a void, which is less expensive, and useful for access in the event of future major works.

I was referring to 5A, as I highlighted in my post.  Still not clear if there is an accessible space or not.

[Anna]

Maybe John /Admin can move posts over here,.

Bretta and I have raised these issues several times.

Hopefully they will be moved over. Alternatively  you could copy and paste them all over and then I will delete from the other thread

[Carana]

CL:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CASA_LILIANA.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1515a.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1516.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1510.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1511.jpg

[Anna]

I was referring to 5A, as I highlighted in my post.  Still not clear if there is an accessible space or not.

Correct Jassi,
 Where would the lift shaft and working be? Also all the plumbing and electrics for the block. I admit that door is not visible in any images showing access to this area, but it could be in a recess (understairs area etc)
 I really don't know. A lot of wasted space if not used for something.

[pegasus]

Where?

I found the architect's plan of CL and the photo showing where the entrance had been tiled over with seemingly no recent sign of works. I'll post them again when I find them.

Re Block 5 - I checked with an architect who did their best to explain to me.

These buildings are on a slope.

There are two solutions:
- one is costly and would involve technical bla, bla.... basicly filling in the ground and compounding it to level the area.

. the other is to create a void, which is less expensive, and useful for access in the event of future major works.

If there is excess soil left from excavating the foundations, it is cheaper to use it to fill the voids than to transport it away?

[Carana]

I was referring to 5A, as I highlighted in my post.  Still not clear if there is an accessible space or not.

Sorry, I didn't notice what you'd highlighted. I don't know any more than I've posted.

The second option, i.e., creating a void on stablised earth makes sense to me in an apartment block in the event of major works, plus I don't recall ever seeing a lift without a maintenance shaft below the bottom public doors to it. Some really modern hi-tech ones may well do, but we're talking about apartment blocks from the '80s.

[Carana]

If there is excess soil left from excavating the foundations, it is cheaper to use it to fill the voids than to transport it away?

Getting the architect's plans would have answered the question. Was this done?

[Carana]

Another thought... Was there a "-1" floor to this lift or not? Were these blocks constructed without cellar storage space?

[Brietta]

If there is excess soil left from excavating the foundations, it is cheaper to use it to fill the voids than to transport it away?

I have just checked villas for sale in Praia da Luz and a great many of them feature wine cellars as a selling point.  PDL is a very hilly area so there are likely to be many properties with cellars or crawl spaces underneath.

Casa Liliana has a relatively small space under the floor and it was not infilled.  As far as Block 5 is concerned I think to fill it in, if this was possible, would represent an inefficient use of space and the loss of easy access to services in the building. 
I would find it extraordinary if there was no access to that area.

There has never been mention of any checks being carried out on the plans for the building, inspections of the lift shaft or any storage areas.


Layout of Casa
Liliana http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-455144/Madeleine-Police-swoop-Russian-experts-flat.html

[pegasus]

If there are voids under 5A, how can they be accessed? Do any services run through them? Where do the drainpipes from the bath, basin, toilet go? Do they go along above the floor to the outside, or do they go down through the floor?