Author Topic: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?  (Read 43120 times)

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #165 on: July 23, 2015, 04:40:15 PM »
Yes, One can be hidden under a bath, but it would take time.


Dunlop, who lived a few hundred yards from Julie, had been in a brief relationship with her. Drunk and belligerent, he arrived at her three-bedroom terraced home near Stockton-on-Tees in the early hours of the morning demanding sex. When she refused, he murdered her and then stuffed her body behind a panel under the bath.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-406247/A-mothers-fight-justice-murdered-daughter.html#ixzz3giykx37u

Thanks for the article. Behind panels only if you have space at top or bottom of bath and that hasn't. You could check behind the panels if there was room underneath it. Eddie would have found anything there.

You could hide at the end of this bath.

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #166 on: July 23, 2015, 05:08:43 PM »
Not that bath you can't. Behind panels only if you have space at top or bottom of bath and that hasn't.
Taking this example to extreme - there is enclosed space between the left end and the wall see vid dog climbing on it.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 05:12:26 PM by pegasus »

Offline Anna

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #167 on: July 23, 2015, 05:21:38 PM »
Had my child gone missing in similar circumstances I would have ripped the place to shreds looking for her ... I have no doubt that was done by those directly involved ... and by those who searched dispassionately and with cooler heads.
I have no reason to believe that every inch of the apartment including the adjoining dark garden area was not searched, even the most improbable places. 
Quite simply Madeleine was not there to be found.

I don't believe she was there either, Brietta, but what is being discussed(if I fully understood) is whether the searches were thorough enough, to rule out all possible hiding places.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #168 on: July 23, 2015, 05:32:44 PM »
I don't believe she was there either, Brietta, but what is being discussed(if I fully understood) is whether the searches were thorough enough, to rule out all possible hiding places.

why would an abductor/killer "hide" a child in the apartment they were abducted/killed in or am I being dim

 &%+((£

Offline Anna

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #169 on: July 23, 2015, 05:40:38 PM »
why would an abductor/killer "hide" a child in the apartment they were abducted/killed in or am I being dim

 &%+((£

It does sound rather ridiculous, Mercury, but I believe a discussion was in progress, about the searches carried out.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #170 on: July 23, 2015, 05:45:02 PM »
It does sound rather ridiculous, Mercury, but I believe a discussion was in progress, about the searches carried out.

Doesnt it just.

Re the searches, I do believe they were just normal searches, as any police might do  thorough, but not thorough enough vis a vis ripping the whole infrastructure apart....far as I know, police dont dig up back gardens unless they suspect theres dead bodies hidden there, why would the PJ on 4 May think anything like this, or be castigated for not doing so

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Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #171 on: July 23, 2015, 05:57:49 PM »
Doesnt it just.

Re the searches, I do believe they were just normal searches, as any police might do  thorough, but not thorough enough vis a vis ripping the whole infrastructure apart....far as I know, police dont dig up back gardens unless they suspect theres dead bodies hidden there, why would the PJ on 4 May think anything like this, of be castigated for not doing so
Talking about the search 60 minutes before the GNR arrived.
Looking at the statements there are many places not searched.
For the understandable reason that assumptions condition search.

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #172 on: July 23, 2015, 06:02:13 PM »
Talking about the search 60 minutes before the GNR arrived.
Looking at the statements there are many places not searched.
For the understandable reason that assumptions condition search.

ah well if you are gong to say the mccanns and friends' search was incompetent, good luck!

but no one would be expecting them either to be ripping out bath panels

*confused*

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #173 on: July 23, 2015, 09:51:14 PM »
We know the medicines were in the adult bedroom (either in a wardrobe or in the chest of drawers).
But because police didn't do a fingertip search in that room that night, we have no idea which.

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #174 on: July 23, 2015, 10:26:45 PM »

I'm trying to stimulate discussion. The really big assumption that everyone seemed to make that night was that the child was not in the apartment.
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Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #175 on: July 23, 2015, 10:35:02 PM »
I'm trying to stimulate discussion. The really big assumption that everyone seemed to make that night was that the child was not in the apartment.

Well she wasnt, they looked.And if she was Im sure by now someone will have noticed the stench of a corpse under or over  a bathtub!
And
Why would any burglar come abductor/killer HIDE her

« Last Edit: July 24, 2015, 08:26:04 AM by Eleanor »

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #176 on: July 23, 2015, 10:46:02 PM »
Well she wasnt, they looked.And if she was Im sure by now someone will have noticed the stench of a corpse under or over  a bathtub!
And
Why would any burglar come abductor/killer HIDE her

I am not proposing anything like that. It is simply without any assumption or theory to search all possible spaces and many a case has shown the importance of that. For example in the "abductor entered apartment and took child away" theory it is still important to look everywhere even top cupboards just in case perp in a hurry has concealed some inanimate item there.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2015, 08:26:34 AM by Eleanor »

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #177 on: July 24, 2015, 12:25:46 AM »
Ok I see where youre coming from now
Well, what can I say , nothing much