Author Topic: Does a person's age or other attributes influence how they view the McCann case?  (Read 7701 times)

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Alfred R Jones

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Carlymichelle raised this question in a recent post;

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stephen    do you think some of the mcann supporters  are older and   were taught the stiff upper lip as children?  i have always wondered because of my  generation ( born 1979 so  almost the  80s)  we  question everything  and  dont take everything as face value is it a generation gap? or is it the internet has helped our ability to think for ourselves ??

This interested me because I was born in 1944, so I'm well placed to have an opinion. I think my generation began the process of 'making up your own mind'. My outlook was poles apart from my mother's, born in 1903. I questioned everything she accepted, and rejected a lot of it. My generation had full employment, so didn't fear 'the boss's' power as my mother did. Her generation still feared the Workhouse, mine didn't. Her generation were very aware that they needed to be seen as respectable because of the spectre of 'deserving and undeserving' poor, echos of which still remain today. We had better education, not just the minimum like my mother had. She had no choices. At twelve years of age she went to school in the mornings and to the weaving shed in the afternoons. At 14 she was a full-time cotton weaver working from 7.30am to 5.30pm. I asked her once what it was like. Her answer consisted of one word 'slavery'. She automatically respected her 'betters'  I respected those I considered worthy of respect. My mother lived in fear and towards the end of her life she told me she had always envied me because I didn't.
Based on what you've said you seem to be suggesting that McCann supporters were mostly born in the Edwardian era, is that right?

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Based on what you've said you seem to be suggesting that McCann supporters were mostly born in the Edwardian era, is that right?

No, I was telling carlymichelle age isn't necessarily a factor. I'm no spring chicken but I don't take things at face value, I question things just as she does.
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No, I was telling carlymichelle age isn't necessarily a factor. I'm no spring chicken but I don't take things at face value, I question things just as she does.

I would say every poster on here questions the facts in this case...it's just that we come up with different answers....

Alfred R Jones

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No, I was telling carlymichelle age isn't necessarily a factor. I'm no spring chicken but I don't take things at face value, I question things just as she does.
question - do you believe that McCann supporters such as myself have unquestioning belief in Kate and Gerry? 

Offline Miss Taken Identity

I happen to think class is a big factor - a resentment of working class made good, a perception that the McCanns would have been treated much worse (and therefore correctly in the views of some) by the authorities over the supposed neglect issue if they had been poor working class folk, also it seems to me a disproportionately large number of people commenting on negatively on this case, and on Kate in particular had issues to do with their own mother concerning poor treatment - rejection, abuse (emotional and physical) etc.

Class factor? seriously lol.   Kate n Gerry are working class! They had jobs in the NHS- worked- got paid...until Maddie's disappearance elevated them to celebrity status and millionairs.  As you are guessing who is posting on this site you are making all sorts of assumptions= those who do not support the McCANNS THESIS ARE; poor, uneducated, low IQ,  working class or below- on benefits.

AND how wrong you are!
But that says more about you as a person.
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Alfred R Jones

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Class factor? seriously lol.   Kate n Gerry are working class! They had jobs in the NHS- worked- got paid...until Maddie's disappearance elevated them to celebrity status and millionairs.  As you are guessing who is posting on this site you are making all sorts of assumptions= those who do not support the McCANNS THESIS ARE; poor, uneducated, low IQ,  working class or below- on benefits.

AND how wrong you are!
But that says more about you as a person.
I didn't make any assumptions at all about the class of those who doubt the McCanns - I simply said that there seemed to be some resentment (and dislike also) of working class people (such as the McCanns) doing well for themselves.  You could be either working class or middle class to dislike and resent 'arrivistes' as the McCanns are perceived to be by some.

Alfred R Jones

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Trolling and goading...Oh dear.

Alf, I just re read what you typed and Yes there may well be a case for some to have that resentment, of lower working earners getting a change to increase their earning potential. But that isn't a reason for mistrusting the McCanns, it goes much further than that. They do come across in interviews are very arrogant, pretentious, and looking down on people. No one but they have achieved that, and continue to do so.

This is evidenced by the support they have on here...holding them in high esteem with absolutely no insight to their 'real' life. But only because they are doctors. One of my son's is  a doctor, he would never be allowed to behave like they do. We,the family and friends would not allow it.
Re: the above in bold - if they weren't from working class backgrounds to begin with, this would be less of an issue to some.  There is some ingrained belief that people from each class should know their station in life and not put on "airs and graces" as some people (you being an example) believe them to be.  My mother is also of that opinion - she doesn't like them, because she's a bit of a snob, not because she thinks they hid their kids' body.

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I would say every poster on here questions the facts in this case...it's just that we come up with different answers....

That's true. I suppose what I am wondering is why? Is there anything similar about people who reach the same conclusions?
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question - do you believe that McCann supporters such as myself have unquestioning belief in Kate and Gerry?

I try not to rely on 'belief' about anything. There's a lot of support for them on here, and if there are questions I haven't seen them expressed as I recall.
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I didn't make any assumptions at all about the class of those who doubt the McCanns - I simply said that there seemed to be some resentment (and dislike also) of working class people (such as the McCanns) doing well for themselves.  You could be either working class or middle class to dislike and resent 'arrivistes' as the McCanns are perceived to be by some.

I haven't seen any evidence to support your view that there is resentment and dislike of the McCann's due to their station in life. I think some people resent and dislike them, for sure, but not necessarily for  the reasons you give. I suspect the reasons are much more complex than that.
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Re: the above in bold - if they weren't from working class backgrounds to begin with, this would be less of an issue to some.  There is some ingrained belief that people from each class should know their station in life and not put on "airs and graces" as some people (you being an example) believe them to be.  My mother is also of that opinion - she doesn't like them, because she's a bit of a snob, not because she thinks they hid their kids' body.

No. I disagree with your Sentiment. The fact that some people 'better themselves' ( for want of a better word), should not be to elevate themselves to look down on people, the very people who lived with them, went to school,played in parks etc. The reason would be to benefit their families, communities etc. It is said that some of the queens stafff are more snobbish than she is. Also lower ranking royals have high demands as to how people should treat them.

I do not perceve the McCanns to be arrogant. It is how they come across. nothing to do with class, perhaps they have become doctors to mingle with their 'betters' who knows, but their demure and lack of social skills,and parenting skills, do not hold them in high regards as far as my social circle is concerned. Great scocial mix it is!

Take an example of missing people it was all about Madeliens mum...her little missing girl... no one else got  a mention...  apart from Amaral of course.
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Alfred R Jones

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I haven't seen any evidence to support your view that there is resentment and dislike of the McCann's due to their station in life. I think some people resent and dislike them, for sure, but not necessarily for  the reasons you give. I suspect the reasons are much more complex than that.
Thanks for your opinion, as equally valid as mine of course. 8((()*/

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Class factor? seriously lol.   Kate n Gerry are working class! They had jobs in the NHS- worked- got paid...until Maddie's disappearance elevated them to celebrity status and millionairs.  As you are guessing who is posting on this site you are making all sorts of assumptions= those who do not support the McCANNS THESIS ARE; poor, uneducated, low IQ,  working class or below- on benefits.

AND how wrong you are!
But that says more about you as a person.
How wrong you are.    As senior professionals, The Mccanns have earned their place on the class ladder;  they are well and truly middle class now, whatever their backgrounds were

But all this talk about class, rather classifies you Mistaken.  Most decent people try not to take any notice of class these days.  I have friends across all the so called classes and status doesn't bother me.

Manners and kindnesses and honesty do, but not status or skin colour.

stephen25000

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How wrong you are.    As senior professionals, The Mccanns have earned their place on the class ladder;  they are well and truly middle class now, whatever their backgrounds were

But all this talk about class, rather classifies you Mistaken.  Most decent people try not to take any notice of class these days.  I have friends across all the so called classes and status doesn't bother me.

Manners and kindnesses and honesty do, but not status or skin colour.

Earned their place on the class ladder ?

You then contradict your self in the next paragraph.

The mccanns behaviour, for example in seeking out 'celebrities' is a reflection of their egos.

Offline sadie

Earned their place on the class ladder ?

You then contradict your self in the next paragraph.

The mccanns behaviour, for example in seeking out 'celebrities' is a reflection of their egos.
They dont seek out celebrities.  The celebrities sought them out.


BTW, no I do not cantradict myself.  Try again.