Groundhog Day? What if anything can we agree about?

[carlymichelle]

does what  happened  8 years ago really matter?? again the mcanns  actions on that holiday caused maddies vanishing not the police etc

[Carana]

does what  happened  8 years ago really matter?? again the mcanns  actions on that holiday caused maddies vanishing not the police etc

There's a missing child, Carly. Fate unknown.

If you had been missing... let's see. Carly's been missing for eight years, does it really matter any more? Of course, it does. This missing child could have been you. Think about it some time.

[Brietta]

Who said it was in the wrong direction ?

When has the accidental death or Madeleine getting out of the apartment been disproved ?

As to abduction, what exactly has come to light other than mere supposition ?

Mr Amaral's 'mere supposition' of death is precisely that as despite all the resources of the investigation being thrown at it  ... there was never an iota of justification or a shred of physical evidence to support it.

Nor was there a shred of evidence in support of the woke and wandered theory.  In both cases if there was no third party involved ... Madeleine McCann would have been found either at the time or in the intervening eight years.

There is however, evidence for abduction.  The main one being the absence of Madeleine and the inexplicable lack of evidence to support the other theories propounded and discarded by the Rebelo investigation followed by the most recent Polícia Judiciária and Scotland Yard on-going investigations into Madeleine's disappearance.

[stephen25000]

Mr Amaral's 'mere supposition' of death is precisely that as despite all the resources of the investigation being thrown at it  ... there was never an iota of justification or a shred of physical evidence to support it.

Nor was there a shred of evidence in support of the woke and wandered theory.  In both cases if there was no third party involved ... Madeleine McCann would have been found either at the time or in the intervening eight years.

There is however, evidence for abduction.  The main one being the absence of Madeleine and the inexplicable lack of evidence to support the other theories propounded and discarded by the Rebelo investigation followed by the most recent Polícia Judiciária and Scotland Yard on-going investigations into Madeleine's disappearance.

There is no evidence for abduction.

The disappearance of Madeleine constitutes as much evidence as accidental death, walking out, etc.

Meanwhile the current 2 teams have found nothing.

If you think otherwise, you are sadly mistaken.

You also omitted, that they don't actually know what crime occurred.

A BELIEF IN ABDUCTION IS NOT EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF IT.

[faithlilly]

A certain poster is trying to suggest that after a thorough examination of 5a and possible ways in which Madeleine could have left the apartment Rebelo plumped for abduction. This, of course, is absolutely untrue. Lest we forget it was Rebelo who forged ahead with the rogatory interviews and strived with all the authority bestowed on his rank to bring the McCanns and their friends back to Portugal for a reconstitution. Now does that really sound like a police officer who has ruled the main protagonists out ?

[Carana]

A certain poster is trying to suggest that after a thorough examination of 5a and possible ways in which Madeleine could have left the apartment Rebelo plumped for abduction. This, of course, is absolutely untrue. Lest we forget it was Rebelo who forged ahead with the rogatory interviews and strived with all the authority bestowed on his rank to bring the McCanns and their friends back to Portugal for a reconstitution. Now does that really sound like a police officer who has ruled the main protagonists out ?

Did Amaral ever submit any ILORs? I haven't found any in the files.

The only ones that I've found were from Rebelo's tenure, which, as I'm sure you'll agree, were prior to the archiving.

I'd never worked out why Amaral and co., as seasoned officers, didn't organise a reconstruction while the main protagonists were there....

There were mumblings about the press and not wanting the group to realise that they were suspects. Okay. But would the group have realised at the time what the PT version was aimed at? Probably not. They would have probably thought that it was genuinely to work out the prospective timeline for an abductor to have been in the area and to appeal to the public.

However...  the PT press would have been fully aware of João Cipriano being filmed, in dubious circumstances leading up to it, attempting to demonstrate how to chop up a child with a saw that was never found and presenting it as evidence in what may be one of the most bizarre cases in PT recent history.

In context, I'm not entirely surprised that the early "reconstruction" idea in the McCann case wasn't considered to be a bright idea from the PT view of previous history.

[Alfred R Jones]

Never could see that one coming.


So you agree no evidence of abduction ?

So, to summarise: you don't have a problem with the PJ's failure to test Madeleine's bedding.  OK, thanks.

[stephen25000]

So, to summarise: you don't have a problem with the PJ's failure to test Madeleine's bedding.  OK, thanks.

Can you name a perfect investigation ?

and of course this is all about the 'abductor'.


Do you have a problem with SY's apparent failure to question the mccanns and the rest of the group ?

[Mr Gray]

Most of the criticisms of the Pj seem to be concerned with things they didn't do. (in the opinion of unqualified people)
No credit is ever given for the huge amount of effort they did put in.

I am not deflecting by pointing out the factual failings of The Metropolitan Police, I am pointing out that we in the UK don't have a perfect police force even if some people like to think we do. Elevating the Met above the PJ is a symptom of a  biased viewpoint.

You seem to lack some basic concepts..

so it's ok for you to criticise doctors when you are unqualified but not for me to criticise the PJ...fail number 1

no one has claimed SY are perfect...fail number 2

The Met have far more experience in investigating this sort of crime, that's why they have been brought in...the PJ  are just not up to it...fail number 3

Try and understand that others have examined the evidence and come to a different conclusion...amaral misunderstood the evidence...claiming that a child could have a fatal accident by falling off a sofa is plain barmy...and he's supposed to be a professional...wake up

[Alfred R Jones]

Can you name a perfect investigation ?

and of course this is all about the 'abductor'.


Do you have a problem with SY's apparent failure to question the mccanns and the rest of the group ?

Have they failed to question the McCanns and the rest of the group?  I didn't know that had been established as fact. 

[stephen25000]

You seem to lack some basic concepts..

so it's ok for you to criticise doctors when you are unqualified but not for me to criticise the PJ...fail number 1

no one has claimed SY are perfect...fail number 2

The Met have far more experience in investigating this sort of crime, that's why they have been brought in...the PJ  are just not up to it...fail number 3

Try and understand that others have examined the evidence and come to a different conclusion...amaral misunderstood the evidence...claiming that a child could have a fatal accident by falling off a sofa is plain barmy...and he's supposed to be a professional...wake up

and the combined forces of SY and the PJ have found ....................

ZIP.

[carlymichelle]

and the combined forces of SY and the PJ have found ....................

ZIP.

the world protocal for missing children is if they  are  not found  in 48 hours it is most likley the child is  dead   im not talking about the teengaers /adults that are found years  later but  reality is  3  year olds  would not suvive a abduction and thats why i dont understand why mcann supporters    seem  to want it to be abduction...

[G-Unit]

You seem to lack some basic concepts..

so it's ok for you to criticise doctors when you are unqualified but not for me to criticise the PJ...fail number 1

no one has claimed SY are perfect...fail number 2

The Met have far more experience in investigating this sort of crime, that's why they have been brought in...the PJ  are just not up to it...fail number 3

Try and understand that others have examined the evidence and come to a different conclusion...amaral misunderstood the evidence...claiming that a child could have a fatal accident by falling off a sofa is plain barmy...and he's supposed to be a professional...wake up

Criticise doctors in general or any doctors in particular? They're just people and some make mistakes, some commit crimes, some go beyond the call of duty. I don't need qualifications to know that.

The relentless criticism of the PJ by some and the refusal to accept what they did do is unbalanced.

The Met police are constantly referred to as 'the professionals' and 'the experts' by some. I have not seen some people ever admit that they're not perfect.

The Met have more experience of investigating what? What crime has been committed?

You have consistently refused/been unable to point to any evidence to support your theory of the crime committed, so criticising a policeman for his conclusions is a bit rich imo.

Please note that suggesting that I lack basic concepts means nothing. Basic concepts of what in particular are you referring to? I'm not asleep either.

[stephen25000]

the world protocal for missing children is if they  are  not found  in 48 hours it is most likley the child is  dead   im not talking about the teengaers /adults that are found years  later but  reality is  3  year olds  would not suvive a abduction and thats why i dont understand why mcann supporters    seem  to want it to be abduction...

Indeed Carlymichelle.

Then of course without the abduction scenario, where does it leave the mccanns ?

[Brietta]

Criticise doctors in general or any doctors in particular? They're just people and some make mistakes, some commit crimes, some go beyond the call of duty. I don't need qualifications to know that.

The relentless criticism of the PJ by some and the refusal to accept what they did do is unbalanced.

The Met police are constantly referred to as 'the professionals' and 'the experts' by some. I have not seen some people ever admit that they're not perfect.

The Met have more experience of investigating what? What crime has been committed?

You have consistently refused/been unable to point to any evidence to support your theory of the crime committed, so criticising a policeman for his conclusions is a bit rich imo.

Please note that suggesting that I lack basic concepts means nothing. Basic concepts of what in particular are you referring to? I'm not asleep either.

It is not for a policeman to form a biased opinion without supporting evidence ... then to write a book pillorying his choice of perpetrator and setting up a continuing media career to condemn them.