Smithman's route from apartment 5a to the beach according to Pathfinder.

[sadie]

It is attached to a post Sadie.  You put rubbish in it!! 

Shining.  Is there still a small hole for storm water to get out of the cave?  That is the sort of place a small child could have been secreted yet SY have never had it opened up...that's bonkers imo.

Funny place for a rubbish bin.  No-one would go up there to take rubbish, imo.   Better to place such a bin by, or on the steps up, where people pass.


The tunnel/cave was opened right up in autumn last year.    I have photos of it.


Did SY do it? .... dunno?


But it was a tidy mess.  I would have thought that they would have cleared up any mess.


In any case Angelo, it was such an obvious place that everyone would have looked in there

[mercury]

it's strange Sadie that bin being there, what is your theory, did Mossad place it there? Or the PJ? Or protectors of the abductorz. Do tell

[pegasus]

Are you going to post a photo of the opening after reopening Sadie?

[sadie]

Are you going to post a photo of the opening after reopening Sadie?

No, I am not.

Maybe Shining will be going down there and hopefully might take a shot .... and have a better look than I had time for.


The steps down which were positively dangerous on my visit in 2010 have been comprehensively repaired; in fact remade.  The foliage which I had to almost fight against in 2010 had been cut back completely when I visited late 2014.

But I doubt that they used the right concrete mix, cos the steps are cracking badly again.  Probably quite safe to go down tho.

[ShiningInLuz]

1428-1431.  The channel and the hole.  Not much to say about these.

The sides of the channel show tool marks i.e. however this channel started out, it has been worked by man to give it this size and shape.

The large rocks in front of the entrance did not 'wash up' with sea action.  This level can be below sea level at high tide, so I presume the large rocks are there to act as a breakwater, to prevent the concrete being opened up again.

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[pegasus]

Thanks for the photos and information ShiningInLuz.
The opening was there in 2007 when we can see an accumulation of branches in it.
At some date since then it was completely blocked by building a wall.
Can you confirm whether this wall became demolished and was rebuilt?

[ShiningInLuz]

Thanks for the photos and information ShiningInLuz.
The opening was there in 2007 when we can see an accumulation of branches in it.
At some date since then it was completely blocked by building a wall.
Can you confirm whether this wall became demolished and was rebuilt?

I have no information either way.

To be honest, until recently I thought this was 100% open and part of the storm drain system, so the fact it is blocked off was a surprise.

For background info, despite living in Maddieville, I had near zero interest in the case until the media broke the story that SY was to dig up central Luz, so I am very much a newbie.

[sadie]

1428-1431.  The channel and the hole.  Not much to say about these.

The sides of the channel show tool marks i.e. however this channel started out, it has been worked by man to give it this size and shape.

The large rocks in front of the entrance did not 'wash up' with sea action.  This level can be below sea level at high tide, so I presume the large rocks are there to act as a breakwater, to prevent the concrete being opened up again.

Brilliant Shining .  Thank you so much


You can see the two ?steps that I mentioned on the second one down.


Looks like quite a bit of butchering has taken place there.

You say that you can see the man made tool marks?   Very well observed Shining. 




And the bin still stands there in solitary state as it has done for about 8 years now.  It has changed colours tho, but it stands in exactly the same spot.   Hmmm ...Intriguing  £5%4%

I doubt anyone would be likely to use it and what a chore to try and empty it if used.  I wonder, could it be standing there as a marker for sailors from the ocean?    To sail in, out of sight, between the two high and very long rocks at that spot ... would have to be a small boat

I guess that I am wrong, but what the hell is it doing there?

[pegasus]

@Sadie if the bin which no-one ever uses changes colour is it possible the colour is a code to signal to a small craft offshore? For example, a plain grey bin might signal "Located a target - go ahead at midnight" and a blue bin might signal "my torch batteries are getting a bit flat please bring replacements onshore by jetski and make sure they are alkaline this time" and so on. Striped bins of two or three colours could even be used to do multiplexing of several signals.

[G-Unit]

@Sadie if the bin which no-one ever uses changes colour is it possible the colour is a code to signal to a small craft offshore? For example, a plain grey bin might signal "Located a target - go ahead at midnight" and a blue bin might signal "my torch batteries are getting a bit flat please bring replacements onshore by jetski and make sure they are alkaline this time" and so on. Striped bins of two or three colours could even be used to do multiplexing of several signals.
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Bit of a pain having to change the paint on the bin all the time. 

[mercury]

@Sadie if the bin which no-one ever uses changes colour is it possible the colour is a code to signal to a small craft offshore? For example, a plain grey bin might signal "Located a target - go ahead at midnight" and a blue bin might signal "my torch batteries are getting a bit flat please bring replacements onshore by jetski and make sure they are alkaline this time" and so on. Striped bins of two or three colours could even be used to do multiplexing of several signals.
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Bit of a pain having to change the paint on the bin all the time. 

Not if you're part of a cunning gang using bins as signs for actions in a planned abduction, Childs play

[pegasus]

Not if you're part of a cunning gang using bins as signs for actions in a planned abduction, Childs play

Covert communication devices have been disguised as everyday items before - and a rubbish bin is just as good as a rock. But now being serious - a witness stated the child being carried by smithman had long sleeves - doesn't this suggest it was not the missing child?

[Brietta]

Covert communication devices have been disguised as everyday items before - and a rubbish bin is just as good as a rock. But now being serious - a witness stated the child being carried by smithman had long sleeves - doesn't this suggest it was not the missing child?

Very true ...
In one experiment during the Cold War a cat, dubbed Acoustic Kitty, was wired up for use as an eavesdropping platform. It was hoped that the animal - which was surgically altered to accommodate transmitting and control devices - could listen to secret conversations from window sills, park benches or dustbins.
Victor Marchetti, a former CIA officer, told The Telegraph that Project Acoustic Kitty was a gruesome creation. He said: "They slit the cat open, put batteries in him, wired him up. The tail was used as an antenna. They made a monstrosity. They tested him and tested him. They found he would walk off the job when he got hungry, so they put another wire in to override that."
Mr Marchetti said that the first live trial was an expensive disaster. The technology is thought to have cost more than £10 million. He said: "They took it out to a park and put him out of the van, and a taxi comes and runs him over. There they were, sitting in the van with all those dials, and the cat was dead."
The document, which was one of 40 to be declassified from the CIA's closely guarded Science and Technology Directorate - where spying techniques are refined - is still partly censored. This implies that the CIA was embarrassed about disclosing all the details of Acoustic Kitty, which took five years to design.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1361462/CIA-recruited-cat-to-bug-Russians.html


Only one witness said the child was wearing a long sleeved garment ... if all had concurred it would give your thinking that this was not the missing child more weight ... but I don't think one statement can be taken in isolation to prove it was not the missing child.

[misty]

Covert communication devices have been disguised as everyday items before - and a rubbish bin is just as good as a rock. But now being serious - a witness stated the child being carried by smithman had long sleeves - doesn't this suggest it was not the missing child?

IMO Smithman was a diversionary tactic for Tannerman. JT did not see the length of sleeves on the pyjamas worn by the child carried by Tannerman. How much of a coincidence is it that 7 years later Crecheman's child turned out to have long sleeves too?

[Brietta]

IMO Smithman was a diversionary tactic for Tannerman. JT did not see the length of sleeves on the pyjamas worn by the child carried by Tannerman. How much of a coincidence is it that 7 years later Crecheman's child turned out to have long sleeves too?

I couldn't agree more that Smithman was a diversion.