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ferryman

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Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #375 on: September 22, 2015, 10:04:08 AM »
Put her in a car and drive far away!

What else?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #376 on: September 22, 2015, 10:04:30 AM »
It is certain that at some time or other the child disappeared from 5A therefore SY during their investigation must have visited 5A. For example SY must have examined the window and shutter mechanism of that bedroom. To spend tens of millions of pounds without even visiting the residence where the crime happened would be madness. The fact that we never read a report of it in the press is neither here nor there. Is anyone on this forum seriously suggesting OG have never visited the apartment?
Yes, I am.

The SY dig on the mound (not the areas outside Luz) was folly for several reasons.  The one and only explanation I can give for this folly is that SY is ignorant of the incident scene.

To have examined 5A, the window and the shutter mechanism would amount to investigating a crime, which SY is not authorised to do unless it obtains formal permission.

The visit of Andy Redwood and team to Coimbra (no formal permission required) was reported.

The meeting of Nicola Wall with British and Portuguese authorities (no formal permission required) was reported.

Did SY somehow sneak in a team (detectives and possibly forensic advisers) to examine 5A interior?  And surely they should have looked at exterior areas such as where various people were seen observing, looked at the Tapas area, looked at the passage between block 4 and block 5, and looked at the passage south of blocks 4 and 5, because if they didn't, they were lax.

Examination of 5A would require the approval of the owner of 5A or a search warrant.

Despite all this, not a single report in the media, not a single rumour on the ground in Luz.  The simplest reason for this is that it did not happen.
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #377 on: September 22, 2015, 10:14:55 AM »
it points towards third party involvement...that's why Kate was sure there was an abduction

How can you speak for her ???

Offline jassi

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #378 on: September 22, 2015, 10:18:00 AM »
How can you speak for her ???

Its probably what she wrote in her best seller 
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #379 on: September 22, 2015, 10:19:57 AM »
As we have discussed before there is no evidence of any crime.
Children don't just disappear into thin air without criminal intervention of some kind - unless maybe you think a dingo was involved?

Offline jassi

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #380 on: September 22, 2015, 10:21:57 AM »
Children don't just disappear into thin air without criminal intervention of some kind - unless maybe you think a dingo was involved?

Must have been that pack of wild dogs that Kate encountered what dunnit.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #381 on: September 22, 2015, 10:25:03 AM »
Must have been that pack of wild dogs that Kate encountered what dunnit.
Maybe it was Jassi - it would have to be something along those lines if we are to believe that Madeleine woke and wandered and her disappearance did not involve a third party.  Are there any bottomless pits in PdL, within likely walking distance (at night) of a 3 year old?

Offline jassi

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #382 on: September 22, 2015, 10:32:47 AM »
Maybe it was Jassi - it would have to be something along those lines if we are to believe that Madeleine woke and wandered and her disappearance did not involve a third party.  Are there any bottomless pits in PdL, within likely walking distance (at night) of a 3 year old?

No idea. You'd be better asking one of those super-sleuths who have been out there.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2015, 10:44:16 AM by jassi »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #383 on: September 22, 2015, 10:45:25 AM »
Yes, I am.

The SY dig on the mound (not the areas outside Luz) was folly for several reasons.  The one and only explanation I can give for this folly is that SY is ignorant of the incident scene.

To have examined 5A, the window and the shutter mechanism would amount to investigating a crime, which SY is not authorised to do unless it obtains formal permission.

The visit of Andy Redwood and team to Coimbra (no formal permission required) was reported.

The meeting of Nicola Wall with British and Portuguese authorities (no formal permission required) was reported.

Did SY somehow sneak in a team (detectives and possibly forensic advisers) to examine 5A interior?  And surely they should have looked at exterior areas such as where various people were seen observing, looked at the Tapas area, looked at the passage between block 4 and block 5, and looked at the passage south of blocks 4 and 5, because if they didn't, they were lax.

Examination of 5A would require the approval of the owner of 5A or a search warrant.

Despite all this, not a single report in the media, not a single rumour on the ground in Luz.  The simplest reason for this is that it did not happen.

If they did it, possibly they managed to do it under the radar; perhaps as bona fide holidaymakers ... as we know there are many points overlooking apartment 5A and many photo opportunities ... who in a holiday resort would take note of tourists taking photographs?

There was little reporting of the Oporto team visiting PdL to carry out their own reconstruction as part of the process of reopening Madeleine McCann's case ...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439464/Portuguese-police-held-their-own-Madeleine-McCann-reconstruction

As to the mound ... they must have had their reasons for that too.  Thinking back to what might have appeared to be resistance to their presence in the town ... they were there, twiddling their thumbs awaiting permissions ... so they eliminated what they had permission to do and if that involved digging up a mound in a very prominent position  in the town ... so be it ... world attention was drawn to Scotland Yard by the publicity and further delays could only result in bad press for anyone being obstructive.

That there appears to be greater inter-force cooperation enabling the investigation to progress is perfectly illustrated by the continued funding made available.
Review and scrutiny of which makes it highly likely that SY still consider there is work to be done. 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #384 on: September 22, 2015, 11:25:36 AM »
If they did it, possibly they managed to do it under the radar; perhaps as bona fide holidaymakers ... as we know there are many points overlooking apartment 5A and many photo opportunities ... who in a holiday resort would take note of tourists taking photographs?

There was little reporting of the Oporto team visiting PdL to carry out their own reconstruction as part of the process of reopening Madeleine McCann's case ...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439464/Portuguese-police-held-their-own-Madeleine-McCann-reconstruction

As to the mound ... they must have had their reasons for that too.  Thinking back to what might have appeared to be resistance to their presence in the town ... they were there, twiddling their thumbs awaiting permissions ... so they eliminated what they had permission to do and if that involved digging up a mound in a very prominent position  in the town ... so be it ... world attention was drawn to Scotland Yard by the publicity and further delays could only result in bad press for anyone being obstructive.

That there appears to be greater inter-force cooperation enabling the investigation to progress is perfectly illustrated by the continued funding made available.
Review and scrutiny of which makes it highly likely that SY still consider there is work to be done.
First of all, thanks for the link.  I haven't followed the Portuguese investigation, so I'm fairly ignorant on that aspect.

A Luz site visit makes total sense.  Personally, I would welcome a site visit by SY, to 5A and environs, and surely to the Smithman-related locations, and hopefully to most of Luz to get a grip on what the locale actually looks like.  In fact, I'd be happy to give them a guided tour, to cut the time and effort required to get up to speed on Luz.  This is despite the fact Luz would be another media feeding frenzy again. Oh, and if I WERE a guide, I'd get treated a lot worse than merely being sent to Coventry.

There very definitely IS significant resistance to SY presence in Luz.  The Portuguese authorities do not engage with Luz.  The UK authorities do not engage with Luz.  The citizens of Luz are subject to whatever farce such authorities, with zero familiarity of the town, decide to inflict on Luz.

And the campaign that Luz is drug-ridden, burglar-ridden, paedophile-ridden with incompetent, uncooperative Portuguese authorities gets another boost.

If this disappearance had happened in your neck of the woods, and 8.5 years of similar treatment had been dished out to you, would you not be calling for a more intelligent, better approach?

Just to round off, an undercover visit is possible, though highly unlikely.  To get a look at the window mechanism and shutter mechanism they would need to hire 5A.  If it is still on the Ocean Club books that request would get leaked.  If it is not, then perhaps the owner would keep quiet.  However, trying to obtain the co-operation of the Portuguese authorities whilst simultaneously sending in an undercover team to Luz strikes me as not the sort of thing an SIO in SY would contemplate.
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #385 on: September 22, 2015, 11:48:24 AM »
I really don't think SY will walk away and accept that Portugal would not co operate with them...this is why it is taking so long and costing so much. SY will not give up and if necessary go to a higher...government.. level. the UK simply cannot and will not accept that Portugal would block a proper investigation into the disappearance of a UK citizen

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #386 on: September 22, 2015, 12:14:17 PM »
I really don't think SY will walk away and accept that Portugal would not co operate with them...this is why it is taking so long and costing so much. SY will not give up and if necessary go to a higher...government.. level. the UK simply cannot and will not accept that Portugal would block a proper investigation into the disappearance of a UK citizen
I am seeing nothing to indicate that Portuguese authorities are blocking anything that SY wants to do and that passes Portuguese legal requirements.

There is speculation in the media that SY has asked for things that are illegal under Portuguese law, and things that would be legal if they passed Portuguese requirements but have been rejected because they do not.  However, I lump this into the speculation bucket.

I am seeing speculation in UK media, not Portuguese, that Portuguese authorities are being un-cooperative, obstructive or acting unduly slowly.  I lump this into the 'lazy Portuguese police' bucket, until such times as someone demonstrates other ILORs getting processed and acted upon faster.

I don't think OG will cease until either the fate of Madeleine is ascertained, or OG decides there are no worthwhile avenues to investigate.

I wish they would get OG boots on the ground in Luz, as a way of speeding progress up significantly.  I doubt if they requested this the Portuguese authorities would object. 
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #387 on: September 22, 2015, 12:25:40 PM »

Offline Brietta

Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #388 on: September 24, 2015, 10:05:37 AM »

Osborne slammed over 'tragically daft' waste of money after handing £3million to China to teach them how to play FOOTBALL

But Mr Osborne today insisted government funding for Chinese football was good value for money because it would 'significantly increase' the country's awareness of English football.

Labour's shadow sports minister Clive Efford attacked the decision to hand British money to the cash-rich Chinese government.

He said: 'George Osbourne's time would be far better spent getting the Premier League to pay the money it should be putting into grassroots sport in England, rather than spending taxpayers' money on training footballers in one of the world's richest countries.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3246295/Osborne-slammed-tragically-daft-waste-money-handing-3million-China-teach-play-FOOTBALL.html#ixzz3me0B4GXv

In my opinion the £2million pounds allocated to the Madeleine McCann case to continue what is very obviously a 'live' investigation is not the drain on public resources that some imagine.

I bet there are a lot of Junior Clubs in Britain salivating at the thought of a share  of a £3million pot.

At risk of being accused of xenophobia ... at least British taxpayers' £2million over the next year is being spent to further the case of a British child who suffered an outrage over eight years ago ... made all the more worthwhile that justification has been made to allow continued funding, meaning there continues to be progression and therefore hope of finding out what happened to her.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?
« Reply #389 on: September 24, 2015, 10:20:42 AM »
Osborne slammed over 'tragically daft' waste of money after handing £3million to China to teach them how to play FOOTBALL

But Mr Osborne today insisted government funding for Chinese football was good value for money because it would 'significantly increase' the country's awareness of English football.

Labour's shadow sports minister Clive Efford attacked the decision to hand British money to the cash-rich Chinese government.

He said: 'George Osbourne's time would be far better spent getting the Premier League to pay the money it should be putting into grassroots sport in England, rather than spending taxpayers' money on training footballers in one of the world's richest countries.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3246295/Osborne-slammed-tragically-daft-waste-money-handing-3million-China-teach-play-FOOTBALL.html#ixzz3me0B4GXv

In my opinion the £2million pounds allocated to the Madeleine McCann case to continue what is very obviously a 'live' investigation is not the drain on public resources that some imagine.

I bet there are a lot of Junior Clubs in Britain salivating at the thought of a share  of a £3million pot.

At risk of being accused of xenophobia ... at least British taxpayers' £2million over the next year is being spent to further the case of a British child who suffered an outrage over eight years ago ... made all the more worthwhile that justification has been made to allow continued funding, meaning there continues to be progression and therefore hope of finding out what happened to her.

'.... British child who suffered an outrage over eight years ago ..'

Indeed the outrage of leaving three children unprotected and completely without any excuse.