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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #135 on: December 14, 2015, 09:44:56 PM »
Also can I see some stains down the middle and one slightly to the left as I am looking at it?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #136 on: December 14, 2015, 10:14:08 PM »
Hmmm just asked three other females all of whom know nothing about the photo.  2 said tights - 1 said childrens tights.  1 said an apron!  1 male said a top. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #137 on: December 14, 2015, 10:16:51 PM »
Hmmm just asked three other females all of whom know nothing about the photo.  2 said tights - 1 said childrens tights.  1 said an apron!  1 male said a top.

Holl, I think that they are either thin leggings or footless tights, like dance tights, and by the length of them, they belonged to Sheila.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Myster

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #138 on: December 14, 2015, 10:20:20 PM »
Geez... you don't half rabbit on!  You're a mod now remember and should be interjecting with "TOPIC!", like Eleanor does.

Who would have thought that I'd ever believe anything Jeremy Bamber said... but for once I agree that they're tights. They look too flimsy and nylony to be a halter top.

Even when just washed they're not that heavy and the longer leg parts will balance out the waist part on the banister and it's an ideal place to dry anything in Summer - warm air rising from the hall below. I use it myself, although not for tights.

End of story... hopefully.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #139 on: December 15, 2015, 06:00:08 AM »
Holl, I think that they are either thin leggings or footless tights, like dance tights, and by the length of them, they belonged to Sheila.

Aye Aye, Cap'n!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3nM2Ul4rLU
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline puglove

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #140 on: December 15, 2015, 08:06:03 AM »
Aye Aye, Cap'n!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3nM2Ul4rLU

Ho ho!! Get to work, Master Bates and Seaman Staines!
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #141 on: December 16, 2015, 06:33:22 PM »
Scipio if you're still around can I have your opinion please on this garment ie what is it?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #142 on: December 16, 2015, 06:58:06 PM »
Scipio if you're still around can I have your opinion please on this garment ie what is it?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920

All I can tell is that it is black. Maybe it is some sort of leggings.  The photo of June dead doesn't who it completely just what seems to have arms or legs.

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #143 on: December 16, 2015, 07:08:46 PM »
All I can tell is that it is black. Maybe it is some sort of leggings.  The photo of June dead doesn't who it completely just what seems to have arms or legs.



Sorry I didn't make myself clear the garment hanging over the banisters - it's blue.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #144 on: December 16, 2015, 11:59:06 PM »
Sorry I didn't make myself clear the garment hanging over the banisters - it's blue.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920

If forced to venture a guess I would say blue pantyhose.

The underwear portion of pantyhose is usually darker than the leg portion and that seems to be the case here.  When not being worn the leg portion will contract and look "fuzzy" and it seems to be the case here.

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline rotti

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #145 on: December 17, 2015, 10:56:37 PM »
1) There is zero objective evidence that establishes the shoes in the crime scene photos are Nevill's slippers.  Neither the police who took the photos nor the family who cleaned up the house afterwards assert any shoes belonging to Nevill were in the room.  Some people posting on blue simply deciding from looking at the blurry photo that they feel it is Nevill's slipper.  I produced slippers looking very similar that are women's. It is simply rank speculation they are Nevilll's.

2) The notion Sheila went to sleep with her mother is absurd.  She was a grown woman and was not in the habit of sleeping with her mother.  She had her own room where her own clothes were.

3) The evidence proves beyond question the attack started in the master bedroom with 10-11 shots fired at Nevill and June.  June suffered no less than 6 shots while Nevill suffered 4. It seems unlikely that June ran past Jeremy to the other side of the bed then ran back towards him and was knocked down or fell then he finally fired his last shot between her eyes.  Much more likely is that she collapsed on her own while Nevill and Jeremy were going to the kitchen and when he returned he pull a bullet between her eyes to make sure she was dead.

It is obvious that Sheila was sleeping at the time this occurred and either didn't wake up until much later or Jeremy woke her up after killing everyone else.  The notion he shot June and then carefully staged Sheila and Nevill came in shorty after this doesn't work at all.

A) Aside from making no sense for Sheila to go to bed with June, even if the gun had 11 rounds 6 into June and 2 into Sheila leaves only 3 remaining and Nevill was shot 4 times in the bedroom before running to the kitchen.  Some of those shots mind you were fired while he was not fully upright so clearly he was seated in bed or getting out of bed when the shots were fired.  I don't believe Jeremy was standing on a chair as he was shooting.

B) If Nevill entered as he was trying to position Sheila then Nevill would have tried to jump him and the shots would be to his right side or front if he managed to shoot before Nevill could get him and there would have been a struggle at that point.  Otherwise Nevill would have actually made it to the shotguns uninjured.  Nevill was shot in the left side because he was getting out of bed and that is the side of him that was exposed.

Sheila was clearly in her own room.  She either woke up and eventually went to investigate found her mother and then Jeremy returned before she could go check on her kids and try to whisk them to safety/hide them or when Jeremy returned she was still in bed and he had to wake her up.  If she was still in bed he woke her up he didn't take her in his arms like sleeping beauty and carry her to the bedroom as Adam suggests...

     
master scipio usmc  could he have picked her up like sleeping beauty.she having been sedated by her medication or just in deep sleep .and placed her against the bed cabinet and shot her once then later placed her flat and shot her again.would the trajectories line up.just a thought.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #146 on: December 18, 2015, 01:22:31 AM »
master scipio usmc  could he have picked her up like sleeping beauty.she having been sedated by her medication or just in deep sleep .and placed her against the bed cabinet and shot her once then later placed her flat and shot her again.would the trajectories line up.just a thought.

He would put the gun down and carry her to the master bedroom then go fetch the gun and return hoping she didn't move instead of waking her up and having her walk on her own at gunpoint?

Based on the bleeding pattern she was shot both times while seated, she wasn't lying down.  For the first shot (neck) the gun was fired at not contact range nearly level so nearly at a 90 degree angle. That alone should have told Vanezis someone else shot her. Vanezis did a horrible job in this case.  The second shot was at contact range under her chin the gun was used to push her head back in order to be able to make sure it was aimed at her brain. She could have managed the second shot lying down so long as the gun didn't have the moderator attached but would have left evidence on her clothing and the blood stains would have been different. Evidence the moderator was used forecloses her shooting herself.

After she was dead is when she was moved flat and that was in order to be able to lay the gun across her body. With her seated such could not be done.   

So she was essentially shot like this with the gun not in contact with her body:



He was simply aiming the gun at her at non-contact range with her scared and he fired.  This shot broke her neck and would have sent her into shock and thus made her unable to resist.  She wa sout of it so he coudl do anything he wanted at that point.

He probably got scared that she didn't die and wanted to kill her as quickly as possible so as to not ruin things or wanted to put her out of her misery so he didn't wait long before firing another shot.  He shot her like this with the gun touching her to fire into her brain:



After he moved her flat the blood flow changed. The blood ran down the side of her neck pooling on the floor.  Also some blood ran down the side of her arm but most had begun to dry already enough so that it didn't.

He opened the Bible and got a little blood on it either by accident or on purpose for staging purposes but then the Bible closed. He reopened it to the same exact page.  Because it closed blood transferred to the other side of the page creating a mirror blood stain.  This is how we know it was opened then closed then reopened to the same page.  With it open he then stupidly stuck the Bible in the pool of blood near her shoulder that formed after she died. This proved the Bible was placed there after her death.  He should have stuck it by her waist because that is where she would have put it if she had been reading it before killing herself.  He didn't think it through well and figure you read with your head so stuck it there. No one has ever figured out what precisely he was trying to accomplish.  He got very lucky because the morons for the prosecution failed to appreciate the significance of this evidence until many years after his trial.  The prosecution tried raising this during his 2002 appeal but the Court of Appeals held that the evidence her body was moved after her death and the Bible staged after her death didn't qualify as new evidence.  It is evidence they could and should have been aware of but missed. To be new it has to be something they could not know at the time using due diligence.  If he were ever to be retried it could be raised at that point but can't be raised to establish he is guilty so should not receive a new trial.  To get a new trial he just needs to undermine the evidence used at trial to convict him.

He seems to have played around with Nevill's body as well. It seems unlikely his head got on the pail naturally. Did he do it to make it his head easier target to shoot or did he have something special in mind he was trying to convey that no one figured out?  Since Jeremy didn't tell Julie everything we have no way to know.  He told her his general plans before but was far less forthcoming about finer details after it was done since he wanted to pretend someone else did it.  There is a snowball chance in hell of him coming clean and explaining everything so we will never know everything he was trying to suggest with his staging and what his thought process was. 

 
« Last Edit: December 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM by scipio_usmc »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline rotti

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #147 on: December 18, 2015, 12:46:33 PM »
He would put the gun down and carry her to the master bedroom then go fetch the gun and return hoping she didn't move instead of waking her up and having her walk on her own at gunpoint?

Based on the bleeding pattern she was shot both times while seated, she wasn't lying down.  For the first shot (neck) the gun was fired at not contact range nearly level so nearly at a 90 degree angle. That alone should have told Vanezis someone else shot her. Vanezis did a horrible job in this case.  The second shot was at contact range under her chin the gun was used to push her head back in order to be able to make sure it was aimed at her brain. She could have managed the second shot lying down so long as the gun didn't have the moderator attached but would have left evidence on her clothing and the blood stains would have been different. Evidence the moderator was used forecloses her shooting herself.he was dead is when she was moved flat and that was in order to be able to lay the gun across her body. With her seated such could not be done.   

So she was essentially shot like this with the gun not in contact with her body:



He was simply aiming the gun at her at non-contact range with her scared and he fired.  This shot broke her neck and would have sent her into shock and thus made her unable to resist.  She wa sout of it so he coudl do anything he wanted at that point.

He probably got scared that she didn't die and wanted to kill her as quickly as possible so as to not ruin things or wanted to put her out of her misery so he didn't wait long before firing another shot.  He shot her like this with the gun touching her to fire into her brain:



After he moved her flat the blood flow changed. The blood ran down the side of her neck pooling on the floor.  Also some blood ran down the side of her arm but most had begun to dry already enough so that it didn't.

He opened the Bible and got a little blood on it either by accident or on purpose for staging purposes but then the Bible closed. He reopened it to the same exact page.  Because it closed blood transferred to the other side of the page creating a mirror blood stain.  This is how we know it was opened then closed then reopened to the same page.  With it open he then stupidly stuck the Bible in the pool of blood near her shoulder that formed after she died. This proved the Bible was placed there after her death.  He should have stuck it by her waist because that is where she would have put it if she had been reading it before killing herself.  He didn't think it through well and figure you read with your head so stuck it there. No one has ever figured out what precisely he was trying to accomplish.  He got very lucky because the morons for the prosecution failed to appreciate the significance of this evidence until many years after his trial.  The prosecution tried raising this during his 2002 appeal but the Court of Appeals held that the evidence her body was moved after her death and the Bible staged after her death didn't qualify as new evidence.  It is evidence they could and should have been aware of but missed. To be new it has to be something they could not know at the time using due diligence.  If he were ever to be retried it could be raised at that point but can't be raised to establish he is guilty so should not receive a new trial.  To get a new trial he just needs to undermine the evidence used at trial to convict him.

He seems to have played around with Nevill's body as well. It seems unlikely his head got on the pail naturally. Did he do it to make it his head easier target to shoot or did he have something special in mind he was trying to convey that no one figured out?  Since Jeremy didn't tell Julie everyone we have no way to know. 

 
you have to hand it to the master.another absolutely brilliant observation and explanation with diagrams.thank you master Scipio usmc 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Offline puglove

Re: Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?
« Reply #148 on: December 19, 2015, 12:37:20 AM »
All I can tell is that it is black. Maybe it is some sort of leggings.  The photo of June dead doesn't who it completely just what seems to have arms or legs.



Out of the 3 images of June that are out there, this is the clearest. And it begs the question, bearing in mind the livor under her legs, how did she get so severely bruised on the top of her legs? Did she stumble around the bedroom? Or, brave as she was, did she try to stop Bamber, possibly plead for the boys, and grapple with him (while he kicked her), and that's how Ralph made it out of the bedroom to try to either go for help or find another gun? Just as Bamber overestimated the power of the gun, he underestimated June's courage and strength. She was small and frail, but she managed to fight, when she knew that she was dying.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

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« Reply #149 on: December 19, 2015, 12:54:27 AM »
And one more thing, you strange blue forum freaks and angry old bints. There was no "look of horror" on June's face.

« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 04:53:53 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.