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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2015, 05:04:08 PM »
I think there is a single, simple, reason why your request is unreasonable: responsibility for Madeleine's abduction rests with Madeleine's abductor ...

Always given she was abducted. The Met. today still refer to "disappearance":
"The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has today, 28 October announced the new structure and changes to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann".
The responsibility for electing to leave three children under the age of four unattended by an adult for indeterminate periods of time was that of the parents.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2015, 05:07:28 PM »
Always given she was abducted. The Met. today still refer to "disappearance":
"The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has today, 28 October announced the new structure and changes to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann".
The responsibility for electing to leave three children under the age of four unattended by an adult for indeterminate periods of time was that of the parents.
It's amazing how this "disappearance" word has become such a straw of hope to clutch at for the desperate "sceptic".  Is this the word used by the Met or the media anyway, do we know?

Offline jassi

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2015, 05:11:28 PM »
It's amazing how this "disappearance" word has become such a straw of hope to clutch at for the desperate "sceptic".  Is this the word used by the Met or the media anyway, do we know?

I believe the statement is on the MPS website, so you can check for yourself.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2015, 05:16:55 PM »
Always given she was abducted. The Met. today still refer to "disappearance":
"The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has today, 28 October announced the new structure and changes to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann".
The responsibility for electing to leave three children under the age of four unattended by an adult for indeterminate periods of time was that of the parents.



Our decision and rationale has been discussed with Mr and Mrs McCann.

Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years. The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt.

"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.

"Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced.

"We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2015, 05:18:29 PM »
It's amazing how this "disappearance" word has become such a straw of hope to clutch at for the desperate "sceptic".  Is this the word used by the Met or the media anyway, do we know?

Well Alf why not read the MPS Webpage and when you have had time to inwardly digest, as used to be said, post your opinion on it. We are always pleased to read your opinions errrm?  But then if your customary methodology is anything to go by 'twill be merely a shedful of questions and sarcy comments.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2015, 05:19:21 PM »
I believe the statement is on the MPS website, so you can check for yourself.
As is the word "abduction" from the original remit, which hasn't been removed - oh well, there's still hope the McCanns gonna get banged up then!

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2015, 05:20:47 PM »


Our decision and rationale has been discussed with Mr and Mrs McCann.

Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years. The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt.

"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.

"Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced.

"We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.


A quote from the McCanns, so?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2015, 05:25:19 PM »
If the McCanns were seriously in the frame for hiding the child's body following an accident or murder would this have been included as part of the investigation?

"Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world".

Offline Benice

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2015, 05:41:26 PM »
Not quite the same as...

.......we were Madeleine's parents and we had failed to keep her safe..........

What is the difference IYO?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2015, 05:46:32 PM »
My last word on the subject;

Counselling 'makes pain worse for victims'
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail
Counselling victims of traumatic events can do more harm than good, say researchers.
A study has found that it rarely has any positive effect, and can actually hinder natural recovery.
Experts say counselling can prime people to expect they will suffer psychological symptoms, which makes this more likely.
Talking about the stressful event again and again could also increase the trauma.
The research, published in today's New Scientist magazine, adds to growing evidence that getting on with life may be healthier than pouring out your heart to a therapist.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-186286/Counselling-makes-pain-worse-victims.html#ixzz3psyxgqpW
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2015, 05:47:07 PM »
What is the difference IYO?

It is unequivocal.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2015, 06:00:28 PM »
My last word on the subject;

Counselling 'makes pain worse for victims'
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail
Counselling victims of traumatic events can do more harm than good, say researchers.
A study has found that it rarely has any positive effect, and can actually hinder natural recovery.
Experts say counselling can prime people to expect they will suffer psychological symptoms, which makes this more likely.
Talking about the stressful event again and again could also increase the trauma.
The research, published in today's New Scientist magazine, adds to growing evidence that getting on with life may be healthier than pouring out your heart to a therapist.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-186286/Counselling-makes-pain-worse-victims.html#ixzz3psyxgqpW
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I'm not surprised it's your last word on the subject because, as far as the McCanns are concerned at least, they did receive advice from their counsellors.  The end.

Offline Benice

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2015, 06:01:15 PM »
It is unequivocal.

Quote
.......we were Madeleine's parents and in our own eyes we had failed to keep her safe..........
Unquote
 
Sorry you've lost me.   Can you explain why the words 'and in our own eyes' changes the meaning in any way of Kate's stated belief that they had failed to keep their daughter safe?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2015, 06:02:20 PM »
Quote
.......we were Madeleine's parents and in our own eyes we had failed to keep her safe..........
Unquote
 
Sorry you've lost me.   Can you explain why the words 'and in our own eyes' changes the meaning in any way of Kate's stated belief that they had failed to keep their daughter safe?
Maybe Slarti thinks that Kate believes that in other people's eyes there hadn't failed to keep her safe?  Otherwise, god knows!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2015, 06:03:38 PM »
My last word on the subject;

Counselling 'makes pain worse for victims'
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail
Counselling victims of traumatic events can do more harm than good, say researchers.
A study has found that it rarely has any positive effect, and can actually hinder natural recovery.
Experts say counselling can prime people to expect they will suffer psychological symptoms, which makes this more likely.
Talking about the stressful event again and again could also increase the trauma.
The research, published in today's New Scientist magazine, adds to growing evidence that getting on with life may be healthier than pouring out your heart to a therapist.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-186286/Counselling-makes-pain-worse-victims.html#ixzz3psyxgqpW
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so getting on with life...trying to be as normal as possible...going jogging...playing tennis