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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #120 on: October 29, 2015, 05:06:11 PM »
We don't know that, it's just a guess. As far as I know they didn't see a psychologist?

However. Any parent losing a child in any circumstances whatsoever would be overcome with guilt, it's perfectly natural. What it isn't is helpful. Dwelling on what was done or not done won't change anything, so I would imagine the focus of the counsellor was on trying to help the parents to understand this, to move on, and to focus on what could be done in the future. Hence their repeated statements about the abductor being the criminal, not them.

If there was an abduction that makes perfect sense. An abduction is a criminal offence. Leaving children unattended is careless and stupid, but not necessarily criminal.

Quote in red>  If they did, they forgot to take him to Portugal for their TRIAL to evidence their mental state due to Amarals book.

Looks like that one is off the table, now where were we? ah, yes.

Drs are infamous for apportioning blame in all medical negligence claims, I know this to be true! It is also true that they must never accept liability for any wrong doing to paitients. Even though it is a black and white case of negligence! This forces patients to take them to civil court to claim damages. This takes years. But HR and NHS lawyers do get involved right away -damage limtation!
Drs McCANNS would be aware of this  how to protect yourself against allegations even if they are true. Cold  calculating Hmm...

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #121 on: October 29, 2015, 05:35:24 PM »
we know that with Kate's own medical training she would understand simple principles such as not blaming yourself when you are the victim act and the importance of trying to carry on life as normal as possible

Makes you wonder why she needed counselling. Gerry and she being so intelligent and well trained they could have counselled each other by the sound of things. Are you saying she acted the victim? 
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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #122 on: October 29, 2015, 05:37:27 PM »
I am curious to know why if you had committed a crime you would place more credence on what a bunch of superannuated internet chatterboxes thought rather than the cops?
Me? I'd worry about the cops.
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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #123 on: October 29, 2015, 05:58:30 PM »
Quote in red>  If they did, they forgot to take him to Portugal for their TRIAL to evidence their mental state due to Amarals book.

Looks like that one is off the table, now where were we? ah, yes.

Drs are infamous for apportioning blame in all medical negligence claims, I know this to be true! It is also true that they must never accept liability for any wrong doing to paitients. Even though it is a black and white case of negligence! This forces patients to take them to civil court to claim damages. This takes years. But HR and NHS lawyers do get involved right away -damage limtation!
Drs McCANNS would be aware of this  how to protect yourself against allegations even if they are true. Cold  calculating Hmm...

I feel for them because when they make a mistake it can be life and death. I wouldn't have liked my work mistakes to carry such a penalty. On the other hand a common illness such as appendicitis can be mismanaged so badly that someone ends up almost dying. I know of a case where someone attended their GP surgery on Monday with stomach pains and were given laxatives. Two days later they attended A & E in agony and spitting blood. They were left on a ward until 11pm on Friday before being operated on, by which time the appendix had ruptured and they were riddled with sepsis. Their lung collapsed with the infection and they spent 10 days in an induced coma in ICU while the doctors fought to save their life. They did, but what a mess.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #124 on: October 29, 2015, 06:05:47 PM »
we know that with Kate's own medical training she would understand simple principles such as not blaming yourself when you are the victim act and the importance of trying to carry on life as normal as possible

But she wasn't the main victim.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #125 on: October 29, 2015, 06:43:53 PM »
But she wasn't the main victim.

who said she was...but she is a victim

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #126 on: October 29, 2015, 07:16:30 PM »
we know that with Kate's own medical training she would understand simple principles such as not blaming yourself when you are the victim act and the importance of trying to carry on life as normal as possible
Sorry, what?

Kate's medical training surely said things like - don't leave 3 children under 4 for half an hour on their own whilst you enjoy yourself some way off?

When you are the victim, i.e. your child has been stolen, do not blame yourself?  Get on with life as normally as possible?  Really?

We should have a 'post of the year competition' on here.  Despite the very dark subject matter, it would still raise some eyebrows.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #127 on: October 30, 2015, 08:07:27 AM »
Quote in red>  If they did, they forgot to take him to Portugal for their TRIAL to evidence their mental state due to Amarals book.

Looks like that one is off the table, now where were we? ah, yes.

Drs are infamous for apportioning blame in all medical negligence claims, I know this to be true! It is also true that they must never accept liability for any wrong doing to paitients. Even though it is a black and white case of negligence! This forces patients to take them to civil court to claim damages. This takes years. But HR and NHS lawyers do get involved right away -damage limtation!
Drs McCANNS would be aware of this  how to protect yourself against allegations even if they are true. Cold  calculating Hmm...

more doctor hate...Hmm.....I've posted before that how much of this nastiness towards the mccanns is because they are doctors

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #128 on: October 30, 2015, 08:11:21 AM »
So we have established that Kate's  reluctance to blame herself is nothing sinister but part of a survival mechanism....as is trying to keep a normal life...jogging...tennis etc

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #129 on: October 30, 2015, 08:15:27 AM »
more doctor hate...Hmm.....I've posted before that how much of this nastiness towards the mccanns is because they are doctors

Well I supposed with their experience you would have expected them to know better.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #130 on: October 30, 2015, 08:17:28 AM »
Well I supposed with their experience you would have expected them to know better.

so the fact that they are doctors does play a part in their persecution...thought so

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #131 on: October 30, 2015, 08:40:09 AM »
So we have established that Kate's  reluctance to blame herself is nothing sinister but part of a survival mechanism....as is trying to keep a normal life...jogging...tennis etc

Their normal life should have been put on hold.

After all dave, they were 'SEARCHING' for Madeleine weren't they. 8(0(*

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #132 on: October 30, 2015, 08:45:35 AM »
so the fact that they are doctors does play a part in their persecution...thought so

Some of the things the McCanns said and did are puzzling. They become even more puzzling when said and done by doctors. They are not criticised because they are doctors, but because they seem to lack basic attributes and knowledge which doctors could be expected to possess.
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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #133 on: October 30, 2015, 08:47:22 AM »
Some of the things the McCanns said and did are puzzling. They become even more puzzling when said and done by doctors. They are not criticised because they are doctors, but because they seem to lack basic attributes and knowledge which doctors could be expected to possess.
As I recall, according to you these doctorly attributes were: nerves of steel, the ability to sit exams and give people nasty injections and the ability to lie convincingly.  Anything else?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #134 on: October 30, 2015, 08:51:34 AM »
so the fact that they are doctors does play a part in their persecution...thought so

I am sure you agree they are intelligent people, so mistakes on their behalf attract more opprobrium than perhaps would be the case with less intelligent individuals.
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