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Offline Eleanor

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #150 on: December 09, 2015, 12:49:59 PM »
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 09, 2015, 12:41:17 PM
I agree she was obligated to report her observations given the circumstances as were Leicestershire Police to pass it on immediately to the PJ. The latter summarily failed!

We don't know that Leicester Police didn't pass it on.  The PJ knew about these statements when they asked for copies.  How did they know?  And what happened to the original statements made in English?

However, Leicester Police were primarily obligated to investigate these suspicions, especially as the incident was not directly related to the holiday in Portugal.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #151 on: December 09, 2015, 12:52:07 PM »
Quote from: Angelo222 on December 09, 2015, 12:41:17 PM
I agree she was obligated to report her observations given the circumstances as were Leicestershire Police to pass it on immediately to the PJ. The latter summarily failed!

I think it possible it was passed on timeously and subsequently misplaced ... how else would Ricardo Paiva been able to ask for it naming Dr Gaspar?  he couldn't ask for something he didn't know existed.
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Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #152 on: December 09, 2015, 12:55:03 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on December 09, 2015, 12:14:14 PM
If the police did not take Mrs Gaspar's statement seriously then they failed in their duty of care towards both the ...... and McCann children.
Perhaps it is incumbent on you or one of your fellow justice seekers and child abuse campaigners to find out if the police have fully investigated the suspected paedo and ensure his children are not at risk?  A sort of side project for you, you could call it. 
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #153 on: December 09, 2015, 03:50:54 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on December 09, 2015, 12:52:07 PM
I think it possible it was passed on timeously and subsequently misplaced ... how else would Ricardo Paiva been able to ask for it naming Dr Gaspar?  he couldn't ask for something he didn't know existed.

To some extent I agree but Paiva could have heard about them by anyone within LC before putting it into writing.
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ferryman

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Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #154 on: December 09, 2015, 06:36:30 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on December 09, 2015, 12:55:03 PM
Perhaps it is incumbent on you or one of your fellow justice seekers and child abuse campaigners to find out if the police have fully investigated the suspected paedo and ensure his children are not at risk?  A sort of side project for you, you could call it.

Not sure if Faith is quite up to the sort of thing.

I'm happy to help, though.  Unfortunately, I can't copy and paste the screenshot from this (highly pertinent to the discussion) link from another board, so I'm sure the admin will forgive (in this instance) a link from another board that seems to pretty much confirm that Mrs Gaspar's statement (as we read it on line) is not a true reflection of what she actually said ....

http://www.stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?

In particular, the wording: Matters identified attributed to Mrs Gaspar

suggests that what we read on-line is not an accurate rending of what Mrs Gaspar said, tending to make all further discussion on the matter moot.

We have no base-line to pursue further discussion on ...
« Last Edit: December 09, 2015, 06:43:09 PM by ferryman »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #155 on: December 09, 2015, 07:15:46 PM »
it must be fairly obvious to even the densest on here that if you are discussing the sexual abuse of your a daughter with another man you don't do it when someone is sitting between you. The whole idea is stupid and I am not surprised that there is some doubt about how accurate this statement is.....


is there really anyone on here who thinks it possible that Gerry was discussing sexual abuse knowing that Dr Gaspar would hear every word
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #156 on: December 09, 2015, 07:44:58 PM »
Thursday 3 May at tennis.

"Gerry said, were just absolutely knackered and Kate was getting them bathed and ready for bed."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom.................

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

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Offline John

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #157 on: December 09, 2015, 07:48:40 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on December 09, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
Thursday 3 May at tennis.

"Gerry said, were just absolutely knackered and Kate was getting them bathed and ready for bed."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom.................

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

The statements were originally taken by Leicestershire Police then translated
into Portuguese so what's the difficulty exactly?   &%+((£
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #158 on: December 09, 2015, 07:53:14 PM »
If Gerry said that to Fiona at tennis then everyone can see what is being covered up and it connects to KG statement.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2015, 07:59:30 PM »
Quote from: John on December 09, 2015, 07:48:40 PM
The statements were originally taken by Leicestershire Police then translated
into Portuguese so what's the difficulty exactly?   &%+((£

If you do not realise then there is no point in explaining
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ferryman

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Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #160 on: December 09, 2015, 08:10:09 PM »
Fourth thread down in the noname forum:

http://www.stopthemyths.info/index.php
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ferryman

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Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #161 on: December 09, 2015, 08:13:11 PM »
Quote from: davel on December 09, 2015, 07:15:46 PM
it must be fairly obvious to even the densest on here that if you are discussing the sexual abuse of your a daughter with another man you don't do it when someone is sitting between you. The whole idea is stupid and I am not surprised that there is some doubt about how accurate this statement is.....


is there really anyone on here who thinks it possible that Gerry was discussing sexual abuse knowing that Dr Gaspar would hear every word

Unfortunately there are.  I've asked an admin at STM to resurrect the thread from the archive.

Watch this space ....
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Offline John

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #162 on: December 09, 2015, 08:15:52 PM »
Quote from: davel on December 09, 2015, 07:59:30 PM
If you do not realise then there is no point in explaining

Are you suggesting Leicestershire Police construed their comments Dave?
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #163 on: December 09, 2015, 08:46:34 PM »
Quote from: John on December 09, 2015, 08:15:52 PM
Are you suggesting Leicestershire Police construed their comments Dave?

Leicestershire police didn't do the translating. I would want to see the original of such a controversial document as the accusations in it are ridiculous
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stephen25000

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Re: Were the Gaspar statements nothing more than a red herring?
« Reply #164 on: December 09, 2015, 08:50:19 PM »
Quote from: davel on December 09, 2015, 08:46:34 PM
Leicestershire police didn't do the translating. I would want to see the original of such a controversial document as the accusations in it are ridiculous

Are you calling the Gaspar's liars then ?
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