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Offline jassi

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1155 on: December 29, 2015, 02:51:56 PM »
How long was he coordinator ?

A few months, then whoosh, gone.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1156 on: December 29, 2015, 02:52:11 PM »
Have they found Madeleine ?

You and your fellows can type what you wish.

Madeleine has not been found and the investigation is at a dead end.

you posted..

They have found nothing...that is not a fact its your opinion

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1157 on: December 29, 2015, 02:59:10 PM »
A few months, then whoosh, gone.

yes...he was sacked because he was critical of the UK police for supporting the McCanns...that's a fact and on record

Offline jassi

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1158 on: December 29, 2015, 03:09:54 PM »
yes...he was sacked because he was critical of the UK police for supporting the McCanns...that's a fact and on record


I don't doubt it.   However, his removal hasn't led to any resolution of Madeleine's disappearance.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1159 on: December 29, 2015, 03:15:59 PM »

I don't doubt it.   However, his removal hasn't led to any resolution of Madeleine's disappearance.

perhaps if we had had a decent investigation from the start there would have been a resolution. There can be no argument that amarals handling of the case was pitiful

stephen25000

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Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1160 on: December 29, 2015, 04:06:59 PM »
perhaps if we had had a decent investigation from the start there would have been a resolution. There can be no argument that amarals handling of the case was pitiful

He was coordinator for a short time.

He was quite right in objecting into interference.

It was also the UK police who told the PJ to investigate the parents.

stephen25000

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Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1161 on: December 29, 2015, 04:08:30 PM »
you posted..

They have found nothing...that is not a fact its your opinion

They haven't found Madeleine or how she disappeared.

Do try and keep up with events.

Offline xtina

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1162 on: December 29, 2015, 04:11:59 PM »
perhaps if we had had a decent investigation from the start there would have been a resolution. There can be no argument that amarals handling of the case was pitiful


G.A. did the best ...........he was allowed to do

he was there................he read the doubters reports to the abduction theory,,,both UK/Portuguese

IMO .he was on the right track.............he is not to blame he is just another mcc casualty...

same as maddie..................the mccs are responsible for her fate ...not Goncalo Ameral




http://www.mccannfiles.com/id131.html
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1163 on: December 29, 2015, 04:13:31 PM »

G.A. did the best ...........he was allowed to do

he was there................he read the doubters reports to the abduction theory,,,both UK/Portuguese

IMO .he was on the right track.............he is not to blame he is just another mcc casualty...

same as maddie..................the mccs are responsible for her fate ...not Goncalo Ameral




http://www.mccannfiles.com/id131.html

he misunderstood the dogs and the dna..that is an absolute fact

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1164 on: December 29, 2015, 04:14:15 PM »
They haven't found Madeleine or how she disappeared.

Do try and keep up with events.

you posted..

They have found nothing...that is not a fact its your opinion

stephen25000

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Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1165 on: December 29, 2015, 04:19:33 PM »
you posted..

They have found nothing...that is not a fact its your opinion

Read my previous reply. 8)--))

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1166 on: December 29, 2015, 04:22:15 PM »
Read my previous reply. 8)--))

none of us know what SY have or haven't found..fact...none of your posts have addressed that fact

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1167 on: December 29, 2015, 04:35:41 PM »
none of us know what SY have or haven't found..fact...none of your posts have addressed that fact

Unless you are living on fantasy island, it is undeniable they haven't found Madeleine or how she disappeared.

Any reply denying those points is merely propaganda.

Amy guest reading the forum can ascertain that for themselves.

« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 04:41:31 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline xtina

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1168 on: December 29, 2015, 04:47:46 PM »
he misunderstood the dogs and the dna..that is an absolute fact




why do you think the mccs....let 20 or so people in the apartment .destroying evidence...when k MC knew straight away maddie had been abducted.........evidence lost forever....if there was any cos they certainly wasn't any when they had all gone,was there



what is a fact............................i don't think he will loose any sleep over what you think ov him  8**8:/:



   
Conversation among policemen...


He would, later on and as a natural and logical consequence of his professional career and his life, apply to become a Criminal Investigation Coordinator, and as expected, he was promoted to that functional category soon afterwards.

Then...

Well, approximately one year ago, we all watched, stupefied, a sort of spectacle that had until then been unheard of, among us. Like in the witch hunts of the past, a certain media (mainly English, but unfortunately not only that) destroyed a Man from the Portuguese Polícia Judiciária in public. A high-ranking Criminal Investigation career official. A colleague and a friend to so many of us. A character assassination like no other employee of this House had ever been a victim of, before. And why?

Because, as had always been his hallmark, Dr. Gonçalo Amaral, a Polícia Judiciária Criminal Investigation Coordinator, went to fight, committed himself, faced, bravely and decidedly, the difficulties and the setbacks of a service case that is extremely complex and whose outlines are still undefined, and may remain so forever.

Maybe for the first time in the Polícia Judiciária's History, an investigator is exposed in public and his private life is rummaged. Merely because he was investigating a certain suspicious case. Because he was working. Maybe the Portuguese State, the Public Administration, our Polícia Judiciária, should have mechanisms in place to protect its representatives in situations like this one. In order to safeguard them as they carry out their professional activity for the benefit of Public Service. Maybe all of us, colleagues in profession, should have stood up, and honouring the so famous, so traditional and so bandied about "Esprit de Corps" that they say is characteristic of our "House", should have somehow manifested our support of Dr. Gonçalo Amaral.

None of that happened. Gonçalo was alone.

If this strategy catches in the future, tomorrow, when facing powerful, well connected arguidos, it could be other investigators who suffer this ordeal. It could be any one of us. And that may, in a way, mean the end of criminal investigation. At least in the way that we see it and develop it.

May this case be an object for reflection. And an example. And may it allow for us to create ways to avoid its repetition. The ASFICPJ should, maybe, analyse all of this situation, in a serious, conscientious and exhaustive manner. It is its obligation, too.

My friend Gonçalo, I sincerely regret your leaving the Polícia Judiciária, which seems precocious to me, because I admit that you still had a lot to give to the cause of Society, of Justice and of Public Service. Furthermore, our "House" does not own that many resources, both in quality and in quantity, to be able to afford not profiting from them, or, even worse, wasting them.

The only thing that is left for me, facing the reality of facts, is to thank you for your friendship, and to wish you the best of happiness and of success in the new stage of your life that you decided to start now.

Lisboa, July 3, 2008,
João Fernandes Figueira
A.S.F.I.C./P.J. member nr. 711



to read full article below
   
Conversation among policemen...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,some interesting reading

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id131.html
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Question of Propaganda.
« Reply #1169 on: December 29, 2015, 04:49:29 PM »
Unless you are living on fantasy island, it is undeniable they haven't found Madeleine or how she disappeared.

Any reply denying those points is merely propaganda.

Amy guest reading the forum can ascertain that for themselves.

we don't know what SY have found or not found...a very simple fact which you cannot seem to grasp.