Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?

[G-Unit]

She found it very important to clean (more important than watching her daughter sailing) and then Madeleine disappeared wearing it. And Amelie is allegedly wearing her pyjamas days later. Oh yes Kate would be answering questions.

Tabloid report, so a handful of salt needed, but a normal reaction imo;

when they moved to an apartment near to the one from which Madeleine was abducted, they unpacked their missing daughter's clothes, too, laying out her pyjamas on what would have been her bed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552763/Were-not-going-back-without-Madeleine.html   27/05/2007

Were those the ones that ended up on Amelie?

Sydney Morning Herald May 15th 2007

"That was terrible for them," says John McCann, Mr McCann's elder brother, who has also travelled to Portugal to help search for his niece.

"Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies.

[Benice]

She found it very important to clean (more important than watching her daughter sailing) and then Madeleine disappeared wearing it. And Amelie is allegedly wearing her pyjamas days later. Oh yes Kate would be answering questions.

Has it not occurred to you that Kate packed more than one pair of jammies for Madeleine - and that Amelie was commenting on a different pair to the ones Madeleine disappeared in?

[pathfinder73]

Has it not occurred to you that Kate packed more than one pair of jammies for Madeleine - and that Amelie was commenting on a different pair to the ones Madeleine disappeared in?

Why was it so important for Kate to clean and dry them that day if Madeleine had others to wear?

[Benice]

Why was it so important for Kate to clean and dry them that day if Madeleine had others to wear?

Probably because the quicker stained clothing is washed - the easier it is to get the stain out.  The longer it's left unwashed  - the harder it becomes to remove the stain.    Nothing at all sinister about that -   I've done it myself loads of times.    Maybe this is alien terrritory to you PF?

[Carana]

I don't wish to disturb any ongoing arguments, but the first PJ CSI manual was only launched at the beginning of 2009.


Today, at the Polícia Judiciária’s School, in Lisbon, a crime scene practises manual is launched, establishing rules on how to enter, how to mark the investigators’ passage, how to photograph and/or draw a crime scene, among other procedures. “The potentialities in the collection of a certain type of residues are incommensurably different today from what they were years ago”, said Carlos Farinha, according to whom “nowadays the level of collection of elements on location is scarily superior”. Hence, he adds, the need to “reorganise and think about the manner to proceed on a crime scene”.


source: Diário de Notícias, 20.05.2009


The launch of a manual is a step forward, but doesn't mean that the contents have been integrated into practice overnight. And that was for the PJ.

What was or is now available for the GNR or any other first responder at a potential crime scene?

What training or resources have been put in place?

[Benice]

I don't wish to disturb any ongoing arguments, but the first PJ CSI manual was only launched at the beginning of 2009.


Today, at the Polícia Judiciária’s School, in Lisbon, a crime scene practises manual is launched, establishing rules on how to enter, how to mark the investigators’ passage, how to photograph and/or draw a crime scene, among other procedures. “The potentialities in the collection of a certain type of residues are incommensurably different today from what they were years ago”, said Carlos Farinha, according to whom “nowadays the level of collection of elements on location is scarily superior”. Hence, he adds, the need to “reorganise and think about the manner to proceed on a crime scene”.


source: Diário de Notícias, 20.05.2009


The launch of a manual is a step forward, but doesn't mean that the contents have been integrated into practice overnight. And that was for the PJ.

What was or is now available for the GNR or any other first responder at a potential crime scene?

What training or resources have been put in place?

 I admit I don't know much on this subject-  but IMO there should be some crimes - such as the disappearance of a child -  which should be automatically passed to the PJ -  who should be the first to attend a scene - with the GNR being called upon for support if necessary - and not the other way round - which IIRC is how things happen now.



 

[G-Unit]

Why was it so important for Kate to clean and dry them that day if Madeleine had others to wear?

I wonder why she didn't bother putting the washer on? She had lots of laundry around. If she'd popped them in before she went to play tennis they would have been ready to hang out when she returned at 11.15am.

When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

[pathfinder73]

Probably because the quicker stained clothing is washed - the easier it is to get the stain out.  The longer it's left unwashed  - the harder it becomes to remove the stain.    Nothing at all sinister about that -   I've done it myself loads of times.    Maybe this is alien terrritory to you PF?

The stain was more important than going to the beach to watch her daughter sailing for the first time. That in itself is unusual - I don't know why she brought a camera. She isn't even in any with her kids! It had to be urgently cleaned and she disappeared with it on. She was shown how to use the washing machine but there wasn't any clothes in it and why not wear another dry top.

[pathfinder73]

I wonder why she didn't bother putting the washer on? She had lots of laundry around. If she'd popped them in before she went to play tennis they would have been ready to hang out when she returned at 11.15am.

When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Agreed unusual like always. Kate was shown how to operate the washing machine. The PJ certainly found clothes in their washing machine when they came with the dogs to the villa 

[G-Unit]

The stain was more important than going to the beach to watch her daughter sailing for the first time. That in itself is unusual - I don't know why she brought a camera. She isn't even in any with her kids! It had to be urgently cleaned and she disappeared with it on. She was shown how to use the washing machine but there wasn't any clothes in it and why not wear another dry top.

She had another pair of pyjamas which they are alleged to have taken to the new apartment and laid on the bed which would have been Madeleine's. Thursday night they stayed at the Paynes. Kate's parents arrived on the Friday, so I assume that's when they went to the new apartment in Block 4. I suppose the spare pyjamas could have been in the dirty pile in the wardrobe, and Mark Warner did a wash for them at some point. Perhaps they laid them on the bed when they were returned from the laundry.

[Alfred R Jones]

How do we know about the existence of this hugely significant stain and the fact that Kate felt it necesary to remove by handwashing?

[misty]

How do we know about the existence of this hugely significant stain and the fact that Kate felt it necesary to remove by handwashing?

I think we need a new thread to discuss the McCann laundry & why a load wasn't done on the Thursday morning.

[Alfred R Jones]

I think we need a new thread to discuss the McCann laundry & why a load wasn't done on the Thursday morning.

Agreed, I think it's very strange that Kate McCann, an alleged doctor, would be such a sloven, highly suspicious IMO.

[sadie]

Welcome back Sadie !!

Thanks Lace 

[pathfinder73]

How do we know about the existence of this hugely significant stain and the fact that Kate felt it necesary to remove by handwashing?

6 September statement and here:

'I didn't think of it at the time but the day Madeleine disappeared I noticed what I thought was a tea stain on her Disney pyjama top,' she says. 'I washed it without thinking but looking back, the children hadn't drunk any tea that day and I can't remember her mentioning that she'd spilt anything.'