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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #495 on: April 06, 2016, 06:40:54 PM »
Thank you again to all who have signed the petition asking for the Home Office to report on Operation Grange and the role of other police forces, the government and the security services in the Madeleine McCann case.

We have 2,509 signatures so far - and there's still 16 days left to sign it before it closes: >>>

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

do you have any explanation for the pitiful amount of support you have attracted

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #496 on: April 06, 2016, 06:44:32 PM »
Ah.  2,509 signatures.  That seems to be about the usual level of interest for these petitions.  Perhaps Blonk cold publish a Top 10 of all his petitions so that we can see where this one ranks compared to all the others?

Offline pegasus

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #497 on: April 06, 2016, 06:47:39 PM »
do you have any explanation for the pitiful amount of support you have attracted
There's always FOIs - for example it would be interesting to check that spokesperson's claim that phonecalls to a parent from the top people of Govt ceased completely on A day.

Offline Brietta

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #498 on: April 06, 2016, 06:51:42 PM »
How many signatures has he got up to now?

At last count 2,509.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #499 on: April 06, 2016, 06:58:22 PM »
No, but that wasn't the intent, was it?  The data was put onto DVDs  for interested parties. I don't suppose the Portuguese authorities envisaged what would happen.

I was under the impression you did not know that the release of the files was unprecedented, since you applauded the progressive situation in Portugal which allows it in some cases.

You said ...
I'm sure British police will never willingly release all the  information about a case, even after a conviction.
It seems to me very progressive that the Portuguese system does allow this, in at least some cases.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #500 on: April 06, 2016, 07:10:23 PM »
I was under the impression you did not know that the release of the files was unprecedented, since you applauded the progressive situation in Portugal which allows it in some cases.

You said ...
I'm sure British police will never willingly release all the  information about a case, even after a conviction.
It seems to me very progressive that the Portuguese system does allow this, in at least some cases.

I know I did.  They are progressive, even if this is the first. No doubt they will release further files in the future.  I don't believe this will be a one-off.
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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #501 on: April 06, 2016, 07:18:59 PM »
I know I did.  They are progressive, even if this is the first. No doubt they will release further files in the future.  I don't believe this will be a one-off.

Files are released in Portugal, made available at the local cop shop.  In this case they were released on a dvd due to the level of interest, and to avoid a real scrum.

What is interesting is the reason behind the release of police files - which is an understandable and laudable reaction to the antics of the secret police under the "ancient regime".   

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #502 on: April 06, 2016, 09:46:02 PM »
Files are released in Portugal, made available at the local cop shop.  In this case they were released on a dvd due to the level of interest, and to avoid a real scrum.

What is interesting is the reason behind the release of police files - which is an understandable and laudable reaction to the antics of the secret police under the "ancient regime".
Presumably, given the ongoing level of interest, the release of any further files will be covered by the media, thus saving me a trip to my local cop shop.

Now, what would such files contain?  OG ILORs to Portugal?  The OG v the 4 arguidos?  The OG v the 11 witnesses?  The OG v the INLM?  Anything on the Oporto leg?

Quite a lot of tasty fare in that lot.
What's up, old man?

Offline Carana

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #503 on: April 07, 2016, 11:16:21 AM »
Presumably, given the ongoing level of interest, the release of any further files will be covered by the media, thus saving me a trip to my local cop shop.

Now, what would such files contain?  OG ILORs to Portugal?  The OG v the 4 arguidos?  The OG v the 11 witnesses?  The OG v the INLM?  Anything on the Oporto leg?

Quite a lot of tasty fare in that lot.

I haven't heard anything about the PT investigation shutting up shop, so I don't see how any impending end to the current UK active phase would entitle PT to release information concerning the UK side.

AFAIK, the recent arguidos became so as a result of the UK investigation, quite possibly to comply with the UK notion of being interviewed under caution plus the right to a lawyer in an advisory capacity during the interviews if so desired.

On the PT side, the countdown to meet the strict deadlines is if there are either specific suspects or arguidos. (The two are not identical, although I can't find a clear definition of the difference - I presume it means that a "suspect" can be subject to covert surveillance prior to having arguido status.)

Offline Brietta

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #504 on: April 07, 2016, 12:08:01 PM »
I haven't heard anything about the PT investigation shutting up shop, so I don't see how any impending end to the current UK active phase would entitle PT to release information concerning the UK side.

AFAIK, the recent arguidos became so as a result of the UK investigation, quite possibly to comply with the UK notion of being interviewed under caution plus the right to a lawyer in an advisory capacity during the interviews if so desired.

On the PT side, the countdown to meet the strict deadlines is if there are either specific suspects or arguidos. (The two are not identical, although I can't find a clear definition of the difference - I presume it means that a "suspect" can be subject to covert surveillance prior to having arguido status.)

There were objections from the British to many of the files being burned to DVD for various reasons ... and I think in the main those objections were honoured.

Having seen how the sharing of information was abused first time round I think if Scotland Yard have any nous whatsoever they will have taken steps to ensure no such thing is repeated.

Even if Madeleine's case is is interrupted the files must remain confidential.  An illustration why can be seen in Genette Tait's case where child serial killer Black would at long last have been charged and prosecuted.  Only his untimely end prevented it.

Genette's had been a cold case for a long time and I rather imagine that had the case files been published there would have been no prospect of carrying out a prosecution at a later date.

Genette Tate murder file against Robert Black submitted to CPS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-35961232

In my opinion petitioning for information in what is a live investigation is an extraordinary course of action for anyone to come up with.  It would seem millions are in agreement with that while only a couple of thousand think it appropriate to be told what is happening in a missing child investigation.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2016, 12:10:50 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website
« Reply #505 on: April 07, 2016, 12:22:26 PM »
I would imagine that only information obtained within Portugal could be released and all information obtained within Uk would be withheld. 
None the less, I'm sure whatever is released will make for interesting reading and endless discussion and argument.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future