Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[Carana]

@ Xtina

I have no problem at all with people attempting to get to the truth. My problem is that people in some quarters simply aren't.

For some reason, either due to ignorance or for some nefarious reason, certain people manage to "misunderstand" or "miss" the most basic of information. They cherry pick details out of context, rehash long-debunked myths despite being self-proclaimed experts on the files and churn out mangled interpretations. These are invariably intended to make those who rely on these "experts" assume that a) the child is necessarily dead and b) the McCanns are necessarily involved.

Here's a classic example:

57:00 ish
"... The second mystery is why, when the police asked for a sample of Madeleine's DNA, the McCanns were unable to produce any. They had nothing, apparently, neither on her clothes, nor her bedclothes, nor pillows, soft toys or things like hairbrush or toothbrush that would yield any of her DNA. That is remarkable and could indicate the McCanns sterilised the clothes and belongings of Madeleine before she was reported missing...."

Sounds damning, eh?

Except that:

- Why would the McCanns have "sterilised" her belongings? To prevent the police from discovering that she was a clone or a substitute?

- What do these "experts" suppose was the purpose of establishing her DNA?

They needed a reference sample against which to compare other DNA profiles in the event of either finding her, what she was wearing, or her DNA in unexplained locations.

Since when would forensics seek a reference sample from a) a crime scene and that was b) likely to be contaminated by other people, including her siblings?


- Which police is he talking about?
The Portuguese police didn't ASK for her DNA. The forensic team in 5A were searching for hairs, fingerprints, traces of blood and whatever might have been evidence of a knock-out agent. That was it.

Gerry did hand her pillow to an officer from the UK police when he went on a trip back to Rothley.

- Even the DNA from the pillow was only an assumed reference until a different sample was obtained (presumably her heel-prick test as a new-born).

[Eleanor]

What a disappointment.  Even the last half an hour wasn't worth watching.

[Carana]

What a disappointment.  Even the last half an hour wasn't worth watching.

Personally, I think he should stick to UFOs.

[faithlilly]

Personally, I think he should stick to UFOs.

For once I agree totally Carana 

[Benice]

Have just watched the last tape.    Any sceptic who actually believes that load of conspiratorial clap-trap cannot possibly have read the files.   Mrs.Fenn colluded with the McCanns!   What?

I almost (but not quite) feel sorry for Mr. Hall..   He seems to live in a world positively overflowing with people in high places who lie to him, try to fool him, con him, and are all plotting against him.   Wow - talk about paranoid -  I bet he keeps a close eye on his own shadow.

IMO (sadly) he is also easy prey for those who want to perpetuate the lies, myths and disinformation that have abounded for the last 9 years re this case.    Who better to 'employ' than someone who apparently already sees major conspiracies around every corner.

AIMHO

[xtina]

@ Xtina

I have no problem at all with people attempting to get to the truth. My problem is that people in some quarters simply aren't.

For some reason, either due to ignorance or for some nefarious reason, certain people manage to "misunderstand" or "miss" the most basic of information. They cherry pick details out of context, rehash long-debunked myths despite being self-proclaimed experts on the files and churn out mangled interpretations. These are invariably intended to make those who rely on these "experts" assume that a) the child is necessarily dead and b) the McCanns are necessarily involved.

Here's a classic example:

57:00 ish
"... The second mystery is why, when the police asked for a sample of Madeleine's DNA, the McCanns were unable to produce any. They had nothing, apparently, neither on her clothes, nor her bedclothes, nor pillows, soft toys or things like hairbrush or toothbrush that would yield any of her DNA. That is remarkable and could indicate the McCanns sterilised the clothes and belongings of Madeleine before she was reported missing...."

Sounds damning, eh?

Except that:

- Why would the McCanns have "sterilised" her belongings? To prevent the police from discovering that she was a clone or a substitute?

- What do these "experts" suppose was the purpose of establishing her DNA?

They needed a reference sample against which to compare other DNA profiles in the event of either finding her, what she was wearing, or her DNA in unexplained locations.

Since when would forensics seek a reference sample from a) a crime scene and that was b) likely to be contaminated by other people, including her siblings?


- Which police is he talking about?
The Portuguese police didn't ASK for her DNA. The forensic team in 5A were searching for hairs, fingerprints, traces of blood and whatever might have been evidence of a knock-out agent. That was it.

Gerry did hand her pillow to an officer from the UK police when he went on a trip back to Rothley.

- Even the DNA from the pillow was only an assumed reference until a different sample was obtained (presumably her heel-prick test as a new-born).

the above i will politely say if you disagree...ask R D H


I don't care what you think about what you have seen ....you cannot disagree with all the inconsistencies the he has covered...

its gone out world wide ....and as yet the Macs have done nothing about it ....because they probably can't ....

he is showing ...what up to now the media can't....he is calling the abduction a farce ...the mccs have lied

[xtina]

Have just watched the last tape.    Any sceptic who actually believes that load of conspiratorial clap-trap cannot possibly have read the files.   Mrs.Fenn colluded with the McCanns!   What?

I almost (but not quite) feel sorry for Mr. Hall..   He seems to live in a world positively overflowing with people in high places who lie to him, try to fool him, con him, and are all plotting against him.   Wow - talk about paranoid -  I bet he keeps a close eye on his own shadow.

IMO (sadly) he is also easy prey for those who want to perpetuate the lies, myths and disinformation that have abounded for the last 9 years re this case.    Who better to 'employ' than someone who apparently already sees major conspiracies around every corner.

AIMHO

well the mccs are so concerned about what harm can be done for the search for maddie .....

lets see  what they do about this ......nothing ...because he is right ...the evidence is there...

[Benice]

well the mccs are so concerned about what harm can be done for the search for maddie .....

lets see  what they do about this ......nothing ...because he is right ...the evidence is there...

So do you believe Mrs Fenn colluded with the McCanns as claimed by R. Hall?

[lordpookles]

What a disappointment.  Even the last half an hour wasn't worth watching.

So as bad as the last doc then? Haha. I will probably torture myself with this one too at some point though not much spare time nowadays. At least if it was a reasonable doc we'd have something to debate!

[Eleanor]

So as bad as the last doc then? Haha. I will probably torture myself with this one too at some point though not much spare time nowadays. At least if it was a reasonable doc we'd have something to debate!

Most of us have tried, LordPookles, but it really is pretty abysmal, by all accounts.

I did watch all of the last one, but I positively refuse to do it again.

[xtina]

So do you believe Mrs Fenn colluded with the McCanns as claimed by R. Hall?

what do you care what i believe..... the Cd's last for 4 hours ....is that the only thing you can bring up...you don't know they didn't...it could be explained in the follow up to this film

what is your opinion then about the last photo ....it wasn't sunny on the day they claimed it was took ....why did it take three weeks to show that photo ....two days after Philomena[g mcc sister] and her husband turned up who just happens to be a photo expert....if the photo was misrepresented ...that is a criminal offence

why did they only take 4 photo's ...of maddie ..

why did they give a picture ...at least a year old to the police ...

who took the tennis picture ....k mcc had to run back to get her camera....so did maddie wait patiently ..holding the balls for her to return...

why have they lied about the photo.

 

[Carana]

the above i will politely say if you disagree...ask R D H


I don't care what you think about what you have seen ....you cannot disagree with all the inconsistencies the he has covered...

its gone out world wide ....and as yet the Macs have done nothing about it ....because they probably can't ....

he is showing ...what up to now the media can't....he is calling the abduction a farce ...the mccs have lied

I've only watched the first episode.

Which inconsistencies in even that first episode have you double-checked and have found to be a red flag of nefarious deeds?

[xtina]

I've only watched the first episode.

Which inconsistencies in even that first episode have you double-checked and have found to be a red flag of nefarious deeds?

 ....oh dear


all i can say is yous watch them all ...then you ave your opinion ...i will have mine....

[Carana]

....oh dear


all i can say is yous watch them all ...then you ave your opinion ...i will have mine....

That's not an answer to my question which was:


Which inconsistencies in even that first episode have you double-checked and have found to be a red flag of nefarious deeds?

[Eleanor]

That's not an answer to my question which was:


Which inconsistencies in even that first episode have you double-checked and have found to be a red flag of nefarious deeds?

You won't get an answer, but thanks for trying.