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Offline faithlilly

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #15780 on: September 27, 2025, 11:23:33 PM »
Wow, what a fudge of an answer.  There is evidence in the public domain that connects Bruckner to Madeleine’s disappearance as wrll you know, you just prefer to dismiss or disbelieve it.
Can I ask how you know for a fact that Bruckner did not abduct and murder Madeleine McCann?

I don’t, how could I? What I do know is that the information in the public domain is not strong enough to convince me, and neither should it you.

And no, there is no evidence in the public domain that categorically connects Brueckner to Madeleine. He was a paedophile but, from what we were told in the newspapers, the Algarve is swarming with them. What was the name of the one the parent’s PIs were investigating? His phone pinged near PDL…well he lived nearby. No identification of Brueckner, as far as we know, by anyone who saw anyone suspicious that day.

What convinces you that it was him?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #15781 on: September 27, 2025, 11:24:09 PM »
You are making things up now.  His DNA was not re-tested until AFTER HB went to the police with the rape tape evidence.

That not what I said.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #15782 on: September 27, 2025, 11:28:14 PM »
You need to read that timeline again, very carefully.  Busching went to the police in 2017, and the DNA was subsequently re-tested in 2018. I have no idea about the bar owner.  Maybe he died?  Maybe he had a criminal record too?  What does it matter?

It matters because he could verify what Busching said. “Perhaps he was a criminal” but that’s okay surely? Shouldn’t we believe our criminal fraternity? Perhaps the bar owner couldn’t or wouldn’t back up Busching’s tale? Not much good as a witness then.

Where does your timeline come from?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #15783 on: September 27, 2025, 11:29:55 PM »
You need to read that timeline again, very carefully.  Busching went to the police in 2017, and the DNA was subsequently re-tested in 2018. I have no idea about the bar owner.  Maybe he died?  Maybe he had a criminal record too?  What does it matter?

So the DNA had already been tested before 2018? When?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #15784 on: September 28, 2025, 08:15:13 AM »
Faith, you are attempting to completely muddy the water with spurious scenarios.  The Americans did not put pressure on Portugal to re-open the DM rape case, CB was not id’ed as a suspect in that case before HB came forward with his rape tape evidence, CB did not sit down with HB and divulge detailed descriptions of his rape modus operandi with him (in any case hadn’t they fallen out by then when HB and his associate went to CB’s gaffe to rob it?) It is clear to anyone with an objective approach to the reported facts that HB’s evidence was instrumental in bringing CB to justice, and that German police would not have linked him to the rape in Portugal many years earlier without it.  It’s clearly impossible to have any further rational discussion with you on this subject because you prefer to believe scenarios for which there is absolutely no evidence, rather than the reported facts which are available to anyone researching these events online.  I have nothing further to add on this, you keep on believing whatever you want if it makes you happy. 
« Last Edit: September 28, 2025, 08:21:47 AM by Vertigo Swirl »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #15785 on: September 28, 2025, 01:38:45 PM »
This article was written in 2019 by Bettina Thoenes.  Note, this is before CB was named as a suspect in the MM case. The journalist attended court every day and followed the case closely. Please read the passages I have highlighted.

December 17, 2019, 1:14 AM • Reading time: 5 minutes
By Bettina Thoenes
A 43-year-old man was sentenced to seven years in prison by the regional court.
A 43-year-old man was sentenced to seven years in prison by the regional court.
© Hendrik Rasehorn
Braunschweig. 14 years ago, a 72-year-old woman was robbed in her home. The 43-year-old denies being the perpetrator in the Braunschweig circumstantial evidence trial.
The defendant calls it a "purely arbitrary verdict." His defense attorney is arguing for acquittal based on the principle of "in case of doubt, for the defendant." The First Grand Criminal Division of the Braunschweig Regional Court, however, is convinced that the now 43-year-old is the perpetrator.
Fourteen years ago – in September 2005 – the man, who last resided in Braunschweig, is said to have attacked, tied up, beaten, raped and robbed a 72-year-old American woman in her home in Portugal.
In its ruling, the chamber followed the prosecutor's request: If the verdict becomes final, the 43-year-old must serve a seven-year prison sentence for aggravated rape in conjunction with robbery and extortion.
This total sentence includes a previous sentence of one year and nine months, which the Niebüll District Court in Schleswig-Holstein had imposed for trafficking in marijuana for the illegal drug market on Sylt.
Both proceedings revolve around the legal question of whether the defendant, after his extradition from Portugal to Germany, is still protected by the principle of specialty. This means that, after extradition, he may only be prosecuted in Germany for the crime for which the European arrest warrant was issued. In the defendant's case, this arrest warrant had been issued for another criminal case.
Meanwhile, the Braunschweig Higher Regional Court ruled that the principle of special jurisdiction for the rape trial was no longer applicable due to the defendant's interim departure to Italy. The 43-year-old takes a different view: "I am still under this protection," he emphasized. He should never have been arrested in Italy.
The Federal Court of Justice will have the final say on this matter.
Regardless of the question of guilt in this circumstantial evidence trial:
The expat, who claimed to have lived in Portugal from various jobs, was living in a house near the victim at the time of the crime. He paints a picture of himself as a helpful man with changing relationships with women, who has nothing to do with the masked perpetrator who allegedly took great pleasure in torturing and humiliating his helpless victim by beating her with a flexible metal object in September 2005.
But how did a piece of the accused's body hair end up at the crime scene? As an objective characteristic, the court considers the hair to be strong evidence. The accused argues, however, that the hair could have entered the 72-year-old's home through stroking the cat in front of the victim's house—which was on his way to the beach—or through inadvertent transfer while shopping or in a café.
And then, of all things, onto the bedsheet in the bedroom where the rape took place? The court doesn't believe that—especially since a DNA analyst serving as an expert witness in this trial declared the secondary transfer of body hair (unlike scalp hair) possible, but unlikely.
Investigators had only linked the seized hair to the defendant years after the then-unsolved crime: Acquaintances of the 43-year-old, who were part of the petty criminal scene, had reported to the police video recordings they had obtained. They allegedly showed the defendant in what they believed to be real rape scenes.
The video recordings have never surfaced; they are said to no longer exist. Did the former acquaintances simply fabricate the accusations to curry favor with the police, as the defendant claims? The defense attorney points out contradictions in the statements. "They are not credible."

The court sees no motive why the two would have denounced the defendant after years. "The investigation was initiated because of the rape of an elderly woman they described," the presiding judge recalled. Based on the suspicion, attempts were made to clarify whether such a crime had occurred in Portugal. The defendant's actions in the filmed scenes, as described by the two witnesses, were similar to the rape of the 72-year-old.
Taking all the evidence into account, the presiding judge stated, the court was convinced that the defendant, who already had previous convictions for sexual and property crimes, was the perpetrator.

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It is therefore a fact confirmed by a judge in a court of law that HB's evidence was instrumental in linking CB to the crime, and therefore without HB coming forward to the police with his claims of seeing CB on a video tape performing various rapes that the rape of DM would most likely have remained unsolved.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #15786 on: September 28, 2025, 02:56:56 PM »
This article was written in 2019 by Bettina Thoenes.  Note, this is before CB was named as a suspect in the MM case. The journalist attended court every day and followed the case closely. Please read the passages I have highlighted.

December 17, 2019, 1:14 AM • Reading time: 5 minutes
By Bettina Thoenes
A 43-year-old man was sentenced to seven years in prison by the regional court.
A 43-year-old man was sentenced to seven years in prison by the regional court.
© Hendrik Rasehorn
Braunschweig. 14 years ago, a 72-year-old woman was robbed in her home. The 43-year-old denies being the perpetrator in the Braunschweig circumstantial evidence trial.
The defendant calls it a "purely arbitrary verdict." His defense attorney is arguing for acquittal based on the principle of "in case of doubt, for the defendant." The First Grand Criminal Division of the Braunschweig Regional Court, however, is convinced that the now 43-year-old is the perpetrator.
Fourteen years ago – in September 2005 – the man, who last resided in Braunschweig, is said to have attacked, tied up, beaten, raped and robbed a 72-year-old American woman in her home in Portugal.
In its ruling, the chamber followed the prosecutor's request: If the verdict becomes final, the 43-year-old must serve a seven-year prison sentence for aggravated rape in conjunction with robbery and extortion.
This total sentence includes a previous sentence of one year and nine months, which the Niebüll District Court in Schleswig-Holstein had imposed for trafficking in marijuana for the illegal drug market on Sylt.
Both proceedings revolve around the legal question of whether the defendant, after his extradition from Portugal to Germany, is still protected by the principle of specialty. This means that, after extradition, he may only be prosecuted in Germany for the crime for which the European arrest warrant was issued. In the defendant's case, this arrest warrant had been issued for another criminal case.
Meanwhile, the Braunschweig Higher Regional Court ruled that the principle of special jurisdiction for the rape trial was no longer applicable due to the defendant's interim departure to Italy. The 43-year-old takes a different view: "I am still under this protection," he emphasized. He should never have been arrested in Italy.
The Federal Court of Justice will have the final say on this matter.
Regardless of the question of guilt in this circumstantial evidence trial:
The expat, who claimed to have lived in Portugal from various jobs, was living in a house near the victim at the time of the crime. He paints a picture of himself as a helpful man with changing relationships with women, who has nothing to do with the masked perpetrator who allegedly took great pleasure in torturing and humiliating his helpless victim by beating her with a flexible metal object in September 2005.
But how did a piece of the accused's body hair end up at the crime scene? As an objective characteristic, the court considers the hair to be strong evidence. The accused argues, however, that the hair could have entered the 72-year-old's home through stroking the cat in front of the victim's house—which was on his way to the beach—or through inadvertent transfer while shopping or in a café.
And then, of all things, onto the bedsheet in the bedroom where the rape took place? The court doesn't believe that—especially since a DNA analyst serving as an expert witness in this trial declared the secondary transfer of body hair (unlike scalp hair) possible, but unlikely.
Investigators had only linked the seized hair to the defendant years after the then-unsolved crime: Acquaintances of the 43-year-old, who were part of the petty criminal scene, had reported to the police video recordings they had obtained. They allegedly showed the defendant in what they believed to be real rape scenes.
The video recordings have never surfaced; they are said to no longer exist. Did the former acquaintances simply fabricate the accusations to curry favor with the police, as the defendant claims? The defense attorney points out contradictions in the statements. "They are not credible."

The court sees no motive why the two would have denounced the defendant after years. "The investigation was initiated because of the rape of an elderly woman they described," the presiding judge recalled. Based on the suspicion, attempts were made to clarify whether such a crime had occurred in Portugal. The defendant's actions in the filmed scenes, as described by the two witnesses, were similar to the rape of the 72-year-old.
Taking all the evidence into account, the presiding judge stated, the court was convinced that the defendant, who already had previous convictions for sexual and property crimes, was the perpetrator.

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It is therefore a fact confirmed by a judge in a court of law that HB's evidence was instrumental in linking CB to the crime, and therefore without HB coming forward to the police with his claims of seeing CB on a video tape performing various rapes that the rape of DM would most likely have remained unsolved.

Well done you! I stand corrected.

Now all we have to figure out is why Busching waited over 10 years to end Diane Menkes, and the women on the alleged tapes, suffering and only did so when arrested for people trafficking. That for over 10 years he let a rapist travel far and wide perhaps raping more anonymous women and according to you, abducting and killing Madeleine. Imagine it could all have been avoided if Busching hadn’t put his self interest first. What a poor excuse for a man he truly is.

Not only that already mentioned but he then sought to make money from this dereliction of human decency by selling his story to any media outlet who would listen. Hazel Behan and all those seeking justice for crimes Brueckner almost certainly committed will never receive that justice because of, in part, the lies repeated under oath by Busching.

And this is the man that you are trying to whitewash into a witness of truth?

That being said, I was wrong, you were right so enjoy your pyrrhic victory. I’ll carry on believing that Busching is morally repugnant.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #15787 on: September 28, 2025, 03:58:54 PM »
Well done you! I stand corrected.

Now all we have to figure out is why Busching waited over 10 years to end Diane Menkes, and the women on the alleged tapes, suffering and only did so when arrested for people trafficking. That for over 10 years he let a rapist travel far and wide perhaps raping more anonymous women and according to you, abducting and killing Madeleine. Imagine it could all have been avoided if Busching hadn’t put his self interest first. What a poor excuse for a man he truly is.

Not only that already mentioned but he then sought to make money from this dereliction of human decency by selling his story to any media outlet who would listen. Hazel Behan and all those seeking justice for crimes Brueckner almost certainly committed will never receive that justice because of, in part, the lies repeated under oath by Busching.

And this is the man that you are trying to whitewash into a witness of truth?

That being said, I was wrong, you were right so enjoy your pyrrhic victory. I’ll carry on believing that Busching is morally repugnant.
Once again you,are twisting the truth. Please provide any cite from this forum where I have tried to “whitewash” HB into a witness of truth??  I have merely pointed out something which at long last you now appear reluctantly to accept and that is that HB did come forward with valuable information that was taken seriously and acted on by law enforcement, was backed up by DNA evidence and resulted in a rapist being brought to justice.  You can carry on believing anything that makes you feel smug and superior, I don’t mind but thank you for at least acknowledging that I was right on this occasion, I know it must have hurt to admit it. 
« Last Edit: September 28, 2025, 06:17:39 PM by Vertigo Swirl »

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #15788 on: September 28, 2025, 04:04:09 PM »
If you witness a child abduction or hear information about one, I think it's always best to leave it a while before reporting the matter to the police. 40 mins or 10 years, I don’t think it really matters, just so long as you leave an unnecessary delay & give the child abducting predatory paedophile a fair chance to get away with it.
Free Martin Brueckner

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #15789 on: September 28, 2025, 06:20:38 PM »
If you witness a child abduction or hear information about one, I think it's always best to leave it a while before reporting the matter to the police. 40 mins or 10 years, I don’t think it really matters, just so long as you leave an unnecessary delay & give the child abducting predatory paedophile a fair chance to get away with it.
It’s gratifying to read that you now accept that Madeleine was abducted.  Such progress has been made today!

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #15790 on: September 28, 2025, 11:15:36 PM »
Once again you,are twisting the truth. Please provide any cite from this forum where I have tried to “whitewash” HB into a witness of truth??  I have merely pointed out something which at long last you now appear reluctantly to accept and that is that HB did come forward with valuable information that was taken seriously and acted on by law enforcement, was backed up by DNA evidence and resulted in a rapist being brought to justice.  You can carry on believing anything that makes you feel smug and superior, I don’t mind but thank you for at least acknowledging that I was right on this occasion, I know it must have hurt to admit it.

Not at all. In fact cheerleading for the kind of criminal who waits to his friend is in prison then burglarises his property is not the victory you suppose it to be.

While Busching may have played a part in bringing Brueckner to justice, he also, unfortunately played a huge part in denying many more women the same justice.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #15791 on: September 28, 2025, 11:17:27 PM »
If you witness a child abduction or hear information about one, I think it's always best to leave it a while before reporting the matter to the police. 40 mins or 10 years, I don’t think it really matters, just so long as you leave an unnecessary delay & give the child abducting predatory paedophile a fair chance to get away with it.

Absolutely. It’s what every right thinking witness of truth does.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #15792 on: September 28, 2025, 11:24:39 PM »
It’s gratifying to read that you now accept that Madeleine was abducted.  Such progress has been made today!

We’re all gratified that you’re gratified. Need I remind you though that IF Madeleine had been abducted the conduct of Busching directly facilitated that abduction and Madeleine is now dead in part because he did nothing.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #15793 on: September 29, 2025, 07:21:18 AM »
Not at all. In fact cheerleading for the kind of criminal who waits to his friend is in prison then burglarises his property is not the victory you suppose it to be.

While Busching may have played a part in bringing Brueckner to justice, he also, unfortunately played a huge part in denying many more women the same justice.
Cheerleading??  Get a grip woman.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #15794 on: September 29, 2025, 07:27:44 AM »
We’re all gratified that you’re gratified. Need I remind you though that IF Madeleine had been abducted the conduct of Busching directly facilitated that abduction and Madeleine is now dead in part because he did nothing.
Are you trying to shame me simply because I pointed out (correctly) that HB was instrumental in bringing CB to justice over the rape of DM?  There’s lots of “if only x had done y” in this case, if only the McCanns had chosen  to stay at home, or never had a child at all, all this nastiness could have been avoided for example.  Now, I know the last fews day on here have been punishing for you but please be nice and stop trying to make out that I’m HB’s biggest fan, it’s really silly.