Author Topic: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?  (Read 292067 times)

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1020 on: March 23, 2016, 09:12:50 AM »
We know what time they left the Dolphin - 2128hrs.
Both MS & PS said they had "a few" drinks at Kelly's. ie, more than one round.
Any sighting 10pm or after was not GM.
So what did Amaral hope to achieve if those facts remained constant?

On the 10 May 2007 when Matt Oldfield was accused of being involved by the PJ, Matt came out with an important time that Kate left at 9:50 not 10 which corroborates with the waiter's statement. The others didn't know the time. It is clearly stated in their rogs as I've shown in a previous post. 10pm is presumed by many and is a fundamental error. A forensic analysis of the timeline will reveal all.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1021 on: March 23, 2016, 09:21:48 AM »
On the 10 May 2007 when Matt Oldfield was accused of being involved by the PJ, Matt came out with an important time that Kate left at 9:50 not 10 which corroborates with the waiter's statement. The others didn't know the time. It is clearly stated in their rogs as I've shown in a previous post. 10pm is presumed by many and is a fundamental error. A forensic analysis of the timeline will reveal all.

Why did no one comment on Gerry's absence from the table at the time of Kate's alert?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1022 on: March 23, 2016, 09:24:28 AM »
Why did no one comment on Gerry's absence from the table at the time of Kate's alert?

Gerry wasn't absent when Kate raised the alarm. Many inconsistencies. Here's the big one on Kate's check.

"I ran into the kitchen, throwing open all the cupboard doors, into our bedroom, searching the wardrobes, in and out of the bathroom, all within about fifteen seconds, before hurtling out through the patio doors and down towards Gerry and our friends." KM

"He turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house." GM

« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 09:28:25 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1023 on: March 23, 2016, 09:33:11 AM »
I repeat my question.

Why did no one comment on Gerry's absence from the table at the time of Kate's alert?

He is Madeleine's father.

You wouldn't just expect comment on his absence.

You would expect extensive  commentary in the files on efforts to find him to tell him what had happened (as Madeleine's father), including where he was when found and who found him.

No trace.

Why?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1024 on: March 23, 2016, 09:41:03 AM »
I repeat my question.

Why did no one comment on Gerry's absence from the table at the time of Kate's alert?

He is Madeleine's father.

You wouldn't just expect comment on his absence.

You would expect extensive  commentary in the files on efforts to find him to tell him what had happened (as Madeleine's father), including where he was when found and who found him.

No trace.

Why?

Gerry wasn't absent from the table when Kate raised the alarm by 9:55. They were all present except Jane Tanner. Smithman was seen after the alarm time. 

"Regarding the 3rd of May, 2007, she went, with all her family, to eat at the Dolphin restaurant, which is close to Kelly's Bar. When they left the restaurant, around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes.
— Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left." AS
« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 09:44:02 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1025 on: March 23, 2016, 09:48:20 AM »
Gerry wasn't absent from the table when Kate raised the alarm by 9:55. They were all present except Jane Tanner. Smithman was seen after the alarm time. 

"Regarding the 3rd of May, 2007, she went, with all her family, to eat at the Dolphin restaurant, which is close to Kelly's Bar. When they left the restaurant, around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes.
— Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left." AS

So Kate alerted at the Tapas Restaurant at around 2200.

The sighting of the Smiths was around 2200.

Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting.

So who did the Smiths see?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1026 on: March 23, 2016, 09:55:43 AM »
So Kate alerted at the Tapas Restaurant at around 2200.

The sighting of the Smiths was around 2200.

Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting.

So who did the Smiths see?

You presume Kate raised the alarm at 10 but after analysing statements I put it at 9:54/55. A sighting near by is easily achievable within that time discrepancy.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1027 on: March 23, 2016, 09:57:58 AM »
You presume Kate raised the alarm at 10 but after analysing statements I put it at 9:54/55. A sighting near by is easily achievable within that time discrepancy.

At what point were Kate and Gerry simultaneously absent from the restaurant.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1028 on: March 23, 2016, 10:00:02 AM »
At what point were Kate and Gerry simultaneously absent from the restaurant.

What are you going on about? Kate left alone. Gerry was at the table. No sighting happened until they were out searching after the alarm was raised.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1029 on: March 23, 2016, 10:12:56 AM »
What are you going on about? Kate left alone. Gerry was at the table. No sighting happened until they were out searching after the alarm was raised.

(By Amaral's theory) Kate finds the body (of her loved and cherished daughter). 

Gerry is oblivious and unaware in the restaurant.

Kate pulls it together, waltzes back to the restaurant, communicates devastating news to Gerry.

No one (else!) notices.

They (Kate and Gerry) hatch a plan.

Gerry leaves the restaurant.

He scoops up the body (of his loved and cherished daughter), waltzes it past the noses of the Smiths, and conceals it somewhere on the beach.

Meanwhile, Kate returns to the restaurant, simulates an alert (and no one notices Gerry's absence).

We haven't even got the bit of what the McCanns are supposed to have done with 'the body' in the 3 weeks after those events before hiring a car to drive 'the body' to Huelva, Spain.

Far the most plausible explanation is PJ Inspector Carlos'.

At the time of the Smith sighting (and Kate's alert) Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant.

That's what Inspector Carlos wrote.

Every reason to suppose he knew what he was talking about (Inspector Carlos) .....
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1030 on: March 23, 2016, 10:37:23 AM »
I don't agree with Amaral's theory and this was probably done before he knew about the KG statement.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1031 on: March 23, 2016, 10:41:15 AM »
I don't agree with Amaral's theory and this was probably done before he knew about the KG statement.

Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of Kate's alert and also the time of the Smith sighting.

Odds are that the Smiths might have seen Madeleine's abductor.

Offline pegasus

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1032 on: March 23, 2016, 10:42:37 AM »
Steps down are from the rear of the tennis courts beside Primeira into the set of shops in front of Baptista.  In Google StreetView, go to the W end of Teixeira and look N.  I'd stick a screen cap in but I need to press FN and PRTSC at the same time, and for the moment I am still one-handed.

Then it is up a few steps onto Teixeira, or to be more accurate, onto Primeira.
Thanks Shining for locating these 11 steps leading down from the back of the tennis courts.

Offline pegasus

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1033 on: March 23, 2016, 10:54:55 AM »
The route proposed by the Mirror journalist is down those 11 steps from the back of the tennis courts, then later down these 6 steps to Rua Escola Primeira (the Mirror article says "up" six steps but that is a typo it should say "down")

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1034 on: March 23, 2016, 10:56:15 AM »
Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of Kate's alert and also the time of the Smith sighting.

Odds are that the Smiths might have seen Madeleine's abductor.

The Smiths definitely saw the abductor  8(0(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.