Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?

[misty]

That would have been for Keela to check for blood.

Both dogs checked all items taken to the gymnasium, Keela first, then Eddie. I wonder why that section of the video was edited out and you have to read the report to understand that only clothing in the first box examined was alerted to?

[pathfinder73]

Both dogs checked all items taken to the gymnasium, Keela first, then Eddie. I wonder why that section of the video was edited out and you have to read the report to understand that only clothing in the first box examined was alerted to?

Eddie didn't have to check the toy again in the gym. He already alerted to it in the villa. That would have been for Keela to check for blood.

August 2nd 2007
6.36pm - The dog Eddie, who detects cadaver odours, "marked" the area of a cupboard in the living room. On checking, the dog was indicating a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine McCann.

The Gym
11.20pm

[misty]

Eddie didn't have to check the toy again in the gym. He already alerted to it in the villa. That would have been for Keela to check for blood.

August 2nd 2007
6.36pm - The dog Eddie, who detects cadaver odours, "marked" the area of a cupboard in the living room. On checking, the dog was indicating a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine McCann.

The Gym
11.20pm

Watch the video, P/F, & see which cupboard door Grime goes to first. Where did he think the alert was aimed at?
Where was Eddie stood during his second period of sustained barking - by the door where CC was retrieved from or by the chair?

Eddie had checked all the clothes & other possessions in the villa & not alerted. Using your argument, why did they need to be taken to the gymnasium to be checked by Keela & then again by Eddie? If Eddie doesn't alert, Keela is not used, according to Grime.

PS The video does not show what was on the worktop before CC was placed inside the cupboard.

[Brietta]

1. You take a dog in to that area and there's no alert.

2. You put a new object in that area and the dog now alerts.

What's your conclusion?

• 1:49  the dog pulls toy down - pushes it to centre floor - and leaves it there
• 2:02  the dog passes the toy - ignores it
• 2:10  the dog passes the toy - ignores it -dog and handler return to bedroom
• 4:04  the dog stands on hind quarters to sniff items on top of cupboard
• 4:08  the dog barks
• 4:29  the dog barks in the direction of the cahir
• 4:40  the dog and handler exit and return to the bedroom
• 3:35  on return to the lounge the dog is stood down
• 5:45  the cupboard door is opened and cuddle cat is revealed within

**snip
Thus, the activity started at the indicated time, all rooms at the address [property] having been walked through, the following result being confirmed:

- 18h36 - the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour, 'marked' [alerted in] the area of a cupboard in the lounge, it being confirmed that the dog indicated a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine Beth McCann.

This document is drawn up to ratify the truth of the above and is duly signed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/INSPECTION_SITES.htm


That was the situation in 2007.

The Rebelo analysis in 2008 came to a slightly different conclusion as regards the certainty of cadaver odour on cuddle cat when it was concluded ...

**snip
From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

[Eleanor]

• 1:49  the dog pulls toy down - pushes it to centre floor - and leaves it there
• 2:02  the dog passes the toy - ignores it
• 2:10  the dog passes the toy - ignores it -dog and handler return to bedroom
• 4:04  the dog stands on hind quarters to sniff items on top of cupboard
• 4:08  the dog barks
• 4:29  the dog barks in the direction of the cahir
• 4:40  the dog and handler exit and return to the bedroom
• 3:35  on return to the lounge the dog is stood down
• 5:45  the cupboard door is opened and cuddle cat is revealed within

**snip
Thus, the activity started at the indicated time, all rooms at the address [property] having been walked through, the following result being confirmed:

- 18h36 - the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour, 'marked' [alerted in] the area of a cupboard in the lounge, it being confirmed that the dog indicated a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine Beth McCann.

This document is drawn up to ratify the truth of the above and is duly signed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/INSPECTION_SITES.htm


That was the situation in 2007.

The Rebelo analysis in 2008 came to a slightly different conclusion as regards the certainty of cadaver odour on cuddle cat when it was concluded ...

**snip
From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

Good one.

[ferryman]

• 1:49  the dog pulls toy down - pushes it to centre floor - and leaves it there
• 2:02  the dog passes the toy - ignores it
• 2:10  the dog passes the toy - ignores it -dog and handler return to bedroom
• 4:04  the dog stands on hind quarters to sniff items on top of cupboard
• 4:08  the dog barks
• 4:29  the dog barks in the direction of the cahir
• 4:40  the dog and handler exit and return to the bedroom
• 3:35  on return to the lounge the dog is stood down
• 5:45  the cupboard door is opened and cuddle cat is revealed within

**snip
Thus, the activity started at the indicated time, all rooms at the address [property] having been walked through, the following result being confirmed:

- 18h36 - the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour, 'marked' [alerted in] the area of a cupboard in the lounge, it being confirmed that the dog indicated a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine Beth McCann.

This document is drawn up to ratify the truth of the above and is duly signed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/INSPECTION_SITES.htm


That was the situation in 2007.

The Rebelo analysis in 2008 came to a slightly different conclusion as regards the certainty of cadaver odour on cuddle cat when it was concluded ...

**snip
From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

And from that (dare I say it? yes!) dog's breakfast emerged the canard that 'cadaver scent' was scented on cuddle-cat, and pernicious tittle-tattle about how that could have come to be ...

Ditto Kate's (but not Gerry's) clothing ....

[pegasus]

http://youtu.be/_qG21K6XJRg
(snip) 4:29  the dog barks in the direction of the chair (snip)

Is this the first time Eddie walks between the dining chair and the wall behind it?

[misty]

Is this the first time Eddie walks between the dining chair and the wall behind it?

No. He walks past the chair twice (around 3m30 on DVD) & ignores it. Barks after jumping up twice to worktop.
Grime then leads Eddie around table, stops & retraces his steps. Only then does Eddie bark at chair. So CC can't be on chair & in cupboard at the same time.

[pegasus]

No. He walks past the chair twice (around 3m30 on DVD) & ignores it. Barks after jumping up twice to worktop.
Grime then leads Eddie around table, stops & retraces his steps. Only then does Eddie bark at chair. So CC can't be on chair & in cupboard at the same time.

Thanks I will look at 3m30 Misty.

[misty]

Thanks I will look at 3m30 Misty.

Sorry, it's more like 3min 50, but you can clearly see the sequence. (I was busy looking at the removal of the pink top from the bed which suddenly appeared in the wardrobe Grime was checking)

[pegasus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8
4m20 he looks up at table
4m23 he puts front paws on chair seat (you can hear this) to lean up to sniff tabletop.
4m23 he drops back to floor and barks.
4m36 barking finishes.
IMO this alert is to something on that part of the diningtable top.
 

[Brietta]

Sorry, it's more like 3min 50, but you can clearly see the sequence. (I was busy looking at the removal of the pink top from the bed which suddenly appeared in the wardrobe Grime was checking)

How observant are you, Misty!!!

I had not noticed that before.

0:44  three garments on bed ... one pink ... one striped ... one grey
0:56  wardrobe door open ... nothing pink in sight inside it
2:26  two garments on bed ... one striped ... one grey
3:24  the dog exits wardrobe ... a pink item which has fallen out is replaced into it 

[pegasus]

How observant are you, Misty!!!

I had not noticed that before.

0:44  three garments on bed ... one pink ... one striped ... one grey
0:56  wardrobe door open ... nothing pink in sight inside it
2:26  two garments on bed ... one striped ... one grey
3:24  the dog exits wardrobe ... a pink item which has fallen out is replaced into it

Yes Misty is correct, very observant, but what is the explanation?

[pegasus]

At 3m23 can anyone else hear the sound of the front paws on the chair seat as Eddie put his front paws on the chair seat to lean up at 45 degrees and his head appears for a split second at tabletop height to sniff the tabletop foillowed immediately by barking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8

[Brietta]

Yes Misty is correct, very observant, but what is the explanation?

Whether by prearrangement with the handler or not (I got the impression he was somewhat puzzled to find that pink garment in the cupboard) someone may have been moving garments around.
Why they should do so is a mystery.  If the dog paid no attention to it when it was on the bed he wasn't going to take any notice of it in another place ... with the exception of the gymnasium.

I find the whole episode totally confusing as did the PJ officers in Rebelo's team.