"Charity collectors" data

[Miss Taken Identity]

I was replying to Jassi.

Confuzzled...
My post... 
 Please read about clutching at straws, reinventing organised child abductors behaviours,clinging to any person being guilty apart from the parents...

    Yes, Elle I know, I was just pointing out the absurdity of child abductors sending friends out to case joints out in the open and showing themsleves to potential witneses. Meh!


Your reply to my post...

This is not absurd at all.  People still don't realise the importance of phone data, and certainly not then.
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[Alice Purjorick]

If I recall correctly, there was someone on here who was confident that phone records would solve the mystery.

They clearly never watched the Jason Bourne trilogy and/or remained unaware of burner phones.

[mercury]

This could degenerate into one of Melissa Henkin's Cooperative Learning lessons. See "The Draw Buy & Build The Monster Game". It can be a bit hit and miss so I doubt burgulaas use it to any great effect.

"The looker is the only group member who can view the Mystery Monster created by the teacher, which will be kept in a secluded area hidden from the rest of the members in the different groups (e.g. hallway).

The walker(s) will go between the looker and the drawer.  The walker(s) will verbally communicate with the looker who will describe what the Mystery Monster looks like explaining the shapes and colors of the pieces and how they are put together.  The looker and the walker(s) will engage in two-way communication in order for the looker to explain what the Mystery Monster looks like to the walker(s).

The walker(s) will then go to the drawer and explain how the looker described the Mystery Monster.  The walker(s) and the drawer will engage in a one-way communication process.  The walker(s) will relay the information from the looker to the drawer so the drawer can sketch the Mystery Monster on the piece of paper based on the description.  The drawer may not talk to the walker(s).  The walker(s) may make suggestions or verbal corrections to the drawer based on how the drawer is sketching the Mystery Monster.

The drawer will then engage in non-verbal communication with the buyer.  The buyer will look at the drawer�s sketch of the Mystery Monster and go to a table that is set up with the Toobers and Zots from the building kits.  The buyer will choose the pieces he/she perceives as necessary to construct the Mystery Monster.  The drawer and the buyer cannot talk to each other.

The buyer will bring the pieces to the builder and explain how the builder should construct the Mystery Monster.  The buyer and the builder will engage in two-way communication. The builder and the buyer can talk to each other but only the builder can construct the Mystery Monster".
http://www.users.miamioh.edu/shermalw/edp621_CL-lessons-sm02/henkins_lesson_621sm02.htm

In a nutshell, a little bonkers.
Bit like Sadies idea that the colour of the waste bin on the beach in some photo was a sign, perpetrators must have had to go B and Q to get an assorted collection of different coloured bins, to relay various messages if appropriate to a boatman, soz  Sadie, it is....

[pegasus]

I am not able to find an accident leaving orphans relating to Gail Cooper CC incident, neither in 2004 nor in 2007.

Also Rosco Foundation never had an orphanage at Barão de São João. They worked with Lagos orphanage.

http://roscofoundation.org/contact.asp

GC had problems understanding, and totally garbled the true story the collecter told her Heri.

GC: "Espiche"
Fact: Beyond Espiche.

GC: "... family that had been killed"
Fact: tragically one teenager was killed, his motorbike came off the road and hit an olive tree near BdSJ.

GC: "english family"
Fact: one member of a dutch-english family.

GC: "three days prior"
Fact: three years prior

GC: "three children from that family had been looked after by the orphanage"
Fact: the accident victim left three younger siblings who continued to live with their parents. Friends/family to create something positive then started the charity which raises money to help children in childrens homes and orphanages.

It is clear that GC misunderstood the collector's poor english. If you insist on treating GC's limited understanding as exact fact you will never find an accident that matches Heri.

[pegasus]

The  Morgan statement dates to Jan 08.  The first StreetView of Luz is dated Aug 09, so that approach did not exist at the time.

I mean now (March 2016) Shining - the current active investigation - it would be the most efficient method to simply take a good laptop with mobile internet connection and ask the witness to identify exactly which manhole was open. You can see every manhole on streetview - their covers may have been replaced since, but their locations have not. This is not either of the two trenches (they were checked), this is an open manhole. On topic because it is in a statement primarily about charity collectors.

[Heriberto Janosch]

I mean now (March 2016) Shining - the current active investigation - it would be the most efficient method to simply take a good laptop with mobile internet connection and ask the witness to identify exactly which manhole was open. You can see every manhole on streetview - their covers may have been replaced since, but their locations have not. This is not either of the two trenches (they were checked), this is an open manhole. On topic because it is in a statement primarily about charity collectors.

I am wondering if the Morgan are still living there. We have the address.

[misty]

I am wondering if the Morgan are still living there. We have the address.

They are still listed at a UK address @2015. SY will have spoken to them.

[pegasus]

Possibly they may still have both addresses, CdA in PDL, and south coast UK which Misty mentions.
Certainly if practical SY must have spoken to them in detail re the charity collectors because we know Mr Redwood did a large amount of investigation into charity collectors.
But my question is, did SY pay any attention at all to the thing mentioned at the end of that statement?
And did they get its exact location?
BTW in another case a manhole cover was in the early search observed to be open by only 10cm, and it turned out eventually to be the solution.

[pegasus]

The head of the relevant charity stated that they never do door-to-door collections. So let's look at the possibility these were fake collectors, nothing to do with the real charity.

If they were fake, they had done a bit of research and downloaded some relevant information and photos and done printouts of photos to show people they approached.

[pegasus]

I already posted about fake collectors claiming to be collecting for Refúgio Aboim Asenção.
In Lagos (very close to PDL) the two men were accompanied by a woman. This was March 2007. http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/charity-fraudsters-use-orphans-for-money/22025

[faithlilly]

The person ''making himself known'' at the door, does not automatically have to be the same person who later carries out a burglary.

So what does he learn by knocking at the door Benice ?

[ShiningInLuz]

I mean now (March 2016) Shining - the current active investigation - it would be the most efficient method to simply take a good laptop with mobile internet connection and ask the witness to identify exactly which manhole was open. You can see every manhole on streetview - their covers may have been replaced since, but their locations have not. This is not either of the two trenches (they were checked), this is an open manhole. On topic because it is in a statement primarily about charity collectors.

Sorry, didn't twig.

We have not a lot of idea about what OG has and has not done.  I wonder if HOLMES 2 flags 'open manhole' as an action point?  Though technically, 'open manhole' does not fit an abduction remit.

[misty]

The head of the relevant charity stated that they never do door-to-door collections. So let's look at the possibility these were fake collectors, nothing to do with the real charity.

If they were fake, they had done a bit of research and downloaded some relevant information and photos and done printouts of photos to show people they approached.

Hmmmm. Not adverse to setting up a GoFundMe appeal, though. &%+((£

[pegasus]

Hmmmm. Not adverse to setting up a GoFundMe appeal, though. &%+((£

The 3 fake charity collectors who were in Lagos one day in March 2007 falsely claiming to be collecting for a children's home in Faro did not have a gfm appeal Misty. And if there were fake charity collectors in PDL in early May 2007 they certainly did not have a gfm appeal.

[misty]

The 3 fake charity collectors who were in Lagos one day in March 2007 falsely claiming to be collecting for a children's home in Faro did not have a gfm appeal Misty. And if there were fake charity collectors in PDL in early May 2007 they certainly did not have a gfm appeal.

No, I appreciate all that, Pegasus.
There are, however, certainly some names who have some sort of tenuous link to the charity which set alarm bells ringing. Access to children who no longer are with family for whatever reason. Something & nothing, maybe.