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[Eleanor]

It seems to go against all logic.  The only reason I can see why they did it was for ease of access for checking.  They assumed it was safe as they could see the patio balcony from the tapas area.  What mystifies me however is knowing that they used the patio why did Gerry claim he accessed the apartment using the front door to do his check at 9pm?

I wouldn't take everything as gospel if I were you.

[Angelo222]

I wouldn't take everything as gospel if I were you.

With a pinch of salt maybe?     

[Mr Gray]

With a pinch of salt maybe?     

there is quite a lot on here that should be taken with a pinch of salt.....most of it from the sceptics imo

[Eleanor]

With a pinch of salt maybe?     

Whatever.  But hardly absolute fact on which to scatter a pinch of salt.  Where is The Proof?

[Eleanor]

there is quite a lot on here that should be taken with a pinch of salt.....most of it from the sceptics imo

Please do try not to wind them up.  It doesn't actually help.  Especially when you can be totally logical.

[misty]

What were two people (seen by [Name removed]) doing on balcony of 5C? Is there a window on that balcony?
And had gateman (seen by CT) been on 5B balcony? And is there a window on that balcony?
Is it possible there was testing of windows in daytime?

There is a window between the patio doors of 5B & 5C. From the position of the rear garden wall, the window would appear to belong to 5C. I am still looking for a clearer picture of the rear of 5B but it doesn't seem to have a window.

Why would 2 potential burglars be interested in an unoccupied apartment? Weren't they blond rather than typical Mediterranean?

RO admitted to leaving patio door unlocked during the daytime if they were all just going to the pool area.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
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1578 'In terms of entry and exit to your apartment, which entry or exit did you most frequently use''
 Reply 'We used the front door, I mean if we were just sort of all popping out and just quickly to the pool, we'd go out the patio doors and just leave them unlocked, erm cos you couldn't lock them from the outside but I mean certainly at night when we went to dinner and if we were gonna be off for a couple of hours, then we went out the front door and you could you know, double lock it so'.

[pegasus]

There is a window between the patio doors of 5B & 5C. From the position of the rear garden wall, the window would appear to belong to 5C. (snip)

Thanks Misty. IMO the 2 men seen by tourist [Name removed] on 5C balcony who gave the impression they were looking out over the pools area were probably really just checking that window (lifting shutter an inch and seeing if window could be slided) to see if it was burglarizable and if so they would have returned after dusk.

[mercury]

Thanks Misty. IMO the 2 men seen by tourist [Name removed] on 5C balcony who gave the impression they were looking out over the pools area were probably really just checking that window (lifting shutter an inch and seeing if window could be slided) to see if it was burglarizable and if so they would have returned after dusk.

Is there anythng to say this was more probable than two men viewing an apartment for sale for instance? Why does everythng that happened in the vicinity at any day, weeek or month beforehand HAVE to have sinister connotations?

[misty]

Thanks Misty. IMO the 2 men seen by tourist [Name removed] on 5C balcony who gave the impression they were looking out over the pools area were probably really just checking that window (lifting shutter an inch and seeing if window could be slided) to see if it was burglarizable and if so they would have returned after dusk.

Really? Do we now have to factor in blond German/Dutch petty thieves operating in competition with the local drug addicts?

[pegasus]

Really? Do we now have to factor in blond German/Dutch petty thieves operating in competition with the local drug addicts?

Every nationality has sad people who steal to feed addiction Misty.

[Heriberto Janosch]

There is a window between the patio doors of 5B & 5C. From the position of the rear garden wall, the window would appear to belong to 5C. I am still looking for a clearer picture of the rear of 5B but it doesn't seem to have a window.

[pegasus]

Thanks Heri
5B (1-bedroom) on south face has only a lounge glass door.
Witness CT saw a man coming out of 5B gate presumably from balcony on 3rd May.
What was he doing there?

5C (2-bedroom) on south face has a lounge glass door and a bedroom glass door.
Witness [Name removed] saw 2 men on 5C balcony on May 3rd.
What were they doing there?

[pegasus]

Burglaries in Jan to Apr 2007 in blocks 5 and 4:
Ground-floor, successful.
Second-floor, successful.
First-floor, interrupted.
(Also owner of one of those states that two further nearby ground-floor apartments were burgled, also that one nearby apartment was burgled twice.)

Therefore 5A shuttered window was opened from outside with intention to burgle, nothing else, and definitely not to abduct.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Therefore 5A shuttered window was opened from outside with intention to burgle, nothing else, and definitely not to abduct.

 

It was an escalation from theft to abduction.

[jassi]

OK, so have we ruled out that it was burglars that did it?