Was there actual 'evidence' Madeleine might have died in apartment 5a?

[mercury]

How does an adult carry an injured or unconscious child into A&E?

Madeleine mccann was not injured or uncnscious and led to safety, was she?

[Alfred R Jones]

Obviously a child weighs the same but the manner of carrying can reduce the stress on the carrier

To get back to the point, Tanned saw a childs feet, and bottom of their pyjamax, she did NOT see Madeleine Mccann beng abducted, so perhaps you have an answer to why emma loach and the mccanns touted the idea as a fact...and in answer to pegasus...exactly no, no one saw her being abducted or carried...as a fact

Jane Tanner believed she saw Madeleine McCann being abducted, and had good reason to believe it IMO.  I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make tbh.

[Alfred R Jones]

How you carry a child very much depends on the position they are in when you pick them up IMO.  If a child is asleep lying horizontal you try and maintain a similar position when carrying them for as long as possible. 

[mercury]

Jane Tanner believed she saw Madeleine McCann being abducted, and had good reason to believe it IMO.  I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make tbh.

Its the point I originally made before conversibgg with you, in answer to pegasus' question/comment that no one saw madeleine leave the apartment, to whch I replied, well, some people touted it as a fact,that she did, and further, ie emma loach in the mccanns documentary, that tanner did see madeleine beng abducted whch is a falsehood, is that ok?

[Alfred R Jones]

Hes carryng like that for a reason, no reason for your sarky snide remarks is there?

What reason would that be, that's relevant to this discussion? 
The reason for the sarky, snide comment is to throw ridicule on the idea that no one would choose to carry a child in the manner described by JT, as previously stated as fact by another poster, which is fair IMO because it was a statement worthy of ridicule.  I trust you will allow me my freedom of speech in pointing this out?  If not, take it up with the Mods, who will probably delete everything I've written tonight anyway, so not to worry.

[mercury]

How you carry a child very much depends on the position they are in when you pick them up IMO.  If a child is asleep lying horizontal you try and maintain a similar position when carrying them for as long as possible.

Why?

She was drugged we are told and if she wasnt then the cold and movement will have woken her up

[faithlilly]

Its the point I originally made before conversibgg with you, in answer to pegasus' question/comment that no one saw madeleine leave the apartment, to whch I replied, well, some people touted it as a fact,that she did, and further, ie emma loach in the mccanns documentary, that tanner did see madeleine beng abducted whch is a falsehood, is that ok?

She also totally misrepresented the way the child was being carried when seen by the Smiths. What honest reason can there be for that ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Its the point I originally made before conversibgg with you, in answer to pegasus' question/comment that no one saw madeleine leave the apartment, to whch I replied, well, some people touted it as a fact,that she did, and further, ie emma loach in the mccanns documentary, that tanner did see madeleine beng abducted whch is a falsehood, is that ok?

JT believed she saw Madeleine being abducted.  It was a reasonable assumption.  I very much doubt it was a falsehood made maliciously by either Emma Loach, Jane Tanner or the McCanns, though I'm sure others beg to differ.

[mercury]

What reason would that be, that's relevant to this discussion? 
The reason for the sarky, snide comment is to throw ridicule on the idea that no one would choose to carry a child in the manner described by JT, as previously stated as fact by another poster, which is fair IMO because it was a statement worthy of ridicule.  I trust you will allow me my freedom of speech in pointing this out?  If not, take it up with the Mods, who will probably delete everything I've written tonight anyway, so not to worry.

The reason would be to save his life,presumably madeleines abductor wasnt in the same business.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why?

She was drugged we are told and if she wasnt then the cold and movement will have woken her up

Why?  It's obvious isn't it?  You try to minimise the likelihood of waking a child that has been lying down asleep. The surest way to rouse a child is to hoist them up vertically onto your shoulder.  Am I the only person here who has actually had children? 

[mercury]

She also totally misrepresented the way the child was being carried when seen by the Smiths. What honest reason can there be for that ?

its all rather silly, if they believed tannerman was smithman they would have made appeals for sightngs of him too, not hide his efits for years

[Alfred R Jones]

The reason would be to save his life,presumably madeleines abductor wasnt in the same business
The less snide remarks you type the better you will do

I'm sorry but I don't understand your logic.  If an abductor had gone to the trouble of abducting a child alive, he would want her to remain alive (in the short term at least) would he not? 

[mercury]

Why?  It's obvious isn't it?  You try to minimise the likelihood of waking a child that has been lying down asleep. The surest way to rouse a child is to hoist them up vertically onto your shoulder.  Am I the only person here who has actually had children?

Oh, ok, leavng it there, despite your ignoring the weather and scantily clad child, and being carried by a stranger on a long walk, ok then

[mercury]

I'm sorry but I don't understand your logic.  If an abductor had gone to the trouble of abducting a child alive, he would want her to remain alive (in the short term at least) would he not?

This is getting silly now...youre saying carrying in a certain way ensures an abducted kid remains alive, duh

[Alfred R Jones]

This is getting silly now...youre saying carrying in a certain way ensures a kid remains alive, duh

No, that is precisely what you are suggesting - it is you who has suggested that a Syrian refugee chooses the horizontal method of carrying a child to save its life, which is a bizarre idea.  He could just as well have chosen to hug that child to his chest keeping him warm in a snow storm.  Cutting to the chase - adults, men in particular, sometimes do carry sleeping children in the manner described by Jane Tanner, and to suggest that this method of carrying is somehow unnatural or abnormal is complete nonsense. 

Good night.