The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[pegasus]

I do not believe there was a burglar.

Absolutely no proof of one at all.

So why do you think the child got out of bed and left the room Steve?
IMO it was because someone outside was opening the shutter and window.
If you don't accept that, perhaps you can give a different reason why the child was no longer in that bedroom at 10pm?

[Brietta]

Heri didn't raise the shutters of 5a so I'm not entirely sure why you are arguing this point and while tha the case may be proved for you for those of a more objective bent I'm sure it will take rather more than Heri not raising the shutters of 5a to convince them.

"I did not get permission by the Ocean Club to make the test in the 5A so I used a similar window."

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

[Brietta]

You have proved nothing of any consequence.

There is no evidence WHATSOEVER of a break-in to apartment 5A.

Just as there was no evidence that a child was abducted from her bath ... but she had been.

[pegasus]

"I did not get permission by the Ocean Club to make the test in the 5A so I used a similar window."

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

By studying the photos in the files and the excellent footage in Mr Amaral's film of the actual mechanics of the window and shutter at 5A, it is elementary to prove that Heri's method would work fine to open them.

[Brietta]

Indeed. The fact that something could have happened does not mean that it did happen

It was a shibboleth that the shutters could not be raised from outside;  would you or anyone now repeat that, hand on heart, having seen demonstrations of them being raised from outside?

[stephen25000]

Just as there was no evidence that a child was abducted from her bath ... but she had been.

Off topic.

We are talking about the Mccann case.

[stephen25000]

So why do you think the child got out of bed and left the room Steve?
IMO it was because someone outside was opening the shutter and window.
If you don't accept that, perhaps you can give a different reason why the child was no longer in that bedroom at 10pm?

Oh I can, but after all, I don't want to get the post removed, do I.

[stephen25000]

It was a shibboleth that the shutters could not be raised from outside;  would you or anyone now repeat that, hand on heart, having seen demonstrations of them being raised from outside?

...and yet not a scintilla of evidence to show it was, and without any evidence....

[pegasus]

Did OG ever test Heri's method on the actual shutter and window at 5A?

[pegasus]

It was a shibboleth that the shutters could not be raised from outside;  would you or anyone now repeat that, hand on heart, having seen demonstrations of them being raised from outside?

Yes I agree Brietta, it was a shibboleth which resulted in the truthful witness being falsely accused of lying about the window and shutter.

[stephen25000]

Yes I agree Brietta, it was a shibboleth which resulted in the truthful witness being falsely accused of lying about the window and shutter.

You do not know Pegasus who has told the truth or who hasn't.

That is a matter of belief.

There is absolutely no evidence of a break-in. That is a fact and agreed with by Clarence Mitchell.

[pegasus]

Oh I can, but after all, I don't want to get the post removed, do I.

Steve so do you think the child left that bedroom carried or on own feet?

[Brietta]

Off topic.

We are talking about the Mccann case.

We are talking about children who vanished in unique circumstances one of whom was proved to have been taken by an abductor because her abductor released her and one of whom it is denied was abducted because unfortunately her abductor did not do the same.

Therefore I too am talking about the McCann case and showing that there is a lot of nonsense spoken that it was impossible for burglars to gain entry to premises and steal a child.

[Brietta]

...and yet not a scintilla of evidence to show it was, and without any evidence....

There is a witness statement to that effect and had that witness wished to 'fabricate' a break-in it would have been oh so easy to do so.

[pegasus]

(snip) There is absolutely no evidence of a break-in. That is a fact and agreed with by Clarence Mitchell.

There was certainly no "break-in". The window or shutter were not broken or damaged. The evidence is that the window and shutter were opened from outside without damage.