The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[mercury]

Well done Heri for posting these.

They should be shown at every infants / junior school ... preferably with the parents present to reinforce the message

Yes, lets scare infants to death and screw up their budding psychology about something whch is extremely rare and will never happen to them, marvellous, good job you arent education minster lol

Brings back memories of the mccanns blasting children at the cinema watchng a disney film with an ad about madeleine ..how gross is it these kids were scared

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleine-cinema-advert-upsets-shrek-audiences-6594883.html

[misty]

In the period 21:45 to 22:15,, the only communication between those two mobiles was the 58s call at 21:51.

So, at 2151 the two suspects were at a distance apart requiring them to communicate by phone but no further phone contact was needed for at least the next 25 minutes. I'm trying to see how that fits with the  third suspect &
the removal of a child at that time.

[Brietta]

@Brietta The open bedroom door seen by MO indicates the child had opened it to go through it to another room.

If Heri's hypothesis were correct, MO would have discovered the bedroom door still in the almost closed position.

I think the window was opened from the inside and Madeleine passed through by an intruder who used a key to enter via the wooden door, Pegasus.

He or she left the door in the position in which it was seen.

[pegasus]

I've already posted evidence, from a witness who had heard that shutter being raised 7 times in the previous week, that raising it made a lot of noise.

[misty]

*Did Sherlock paint his toenails blue?* snip

https://archiveofourown.org/works/3825385

You couldn't make it up - but someone did!

[pegasus]

I think the window was opened from the inside and Madeleine passed through by an intruder who used a key to enter via the wooden door, Pegasus.

He or she left the door in the position in which it was seen.

But Brietta, even raising the shutter from inside using the strap makes a lot of noise.

[Brietta]

But Brietta, even raising the shutter from inside using the strap makes a lot of noise.

A bit of an irrelevance if the intruder is already inside with the children.  It takes seconds to raise the shutters and seconds to pass a child through.

[pegasus]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/3825385

You couldn't make it up - but someone did!

A girl is home alone, parents out, a burglar opens a window, she hides in a walk-in closet, under some clothes, one of the burglars actually walks into the closet and starts taking things from it, the girl is worried that the burglar will spot her bright blue varnished toenails. I didn't make this up. It's a true story. I already posted the live audio of it happening.

[pegasus]

A child is at home, the parents are out, a burglar opens a window ...

What the child typically does, and where, can be learned by studying the many cases where this has happened.

[misty]

A girl is home alone, parents out, a burglar opens a window, she hides in a walk-in closet, under some clothes, one of the burglars actually walks into the closet and starts taking things from it, the girl is worried that the burglar will spot her bright blue varnished toenails. I didn't make this up. It's a true story. I already posted the live audio of it happening.

I did read that case. I just initially thought you were on a Holmes theme.

What happened to the 12 year old boy in Arizona who was discovered by the burglars?

[pegasus]

I did read that case. I just initially thought you were on a Holmes theme.

What happened to the 12 year old boy in Arizona who was discovered by the burglars?

As soon as the burglars saw the child they ran away Misty.
Live audio here
http://www.people.com/article/arizona-boy-12-calls-911-while-intruders-break-into-his-home

Just a reminder, I am suggesting that as soon as the burglar saw the child in PDL, he ran away.
In PDL this would obviously happen before entry, immediately after opening window and shutter.

[Heriberto Janosch]

@Brietta The open bedroom door seen by MO indicates the child had opened it to go through it to another room.

If Heri's hypothesis were correct, MO would have discovered the bedroom door still in the almost closed position.

If MO did something more than opening the back door and listen from there ...

[Heriberto Janosch]

None of the suspects physically match the efits of either man seen carrying a sleeping child.

Do you know the aspect of the 2 suspects, José Carlos and Ricardo? I have a lot of pictures and videos of them.
But anyway the two Smith efits are not reliable. I am not basing my theory in those efits.

[Heriberto Janosch]

How does one kill a child over a window ledge and leave zero forensics?

Forensics may indicate a stranger was there.
Lack of forensics does not indicate a stranger was not there.

Anyway, this case has forensics. Not the type we would desire but forensics, yes.

[Heriberto Janosch]

- Too many psychological assumptions, trying to infer, from a very limited number of teen cases, the absolute general behaviour of toddlers. We are interested here in Madeleine reaction.

- The videos posted do not try to demonstrate nothing except that other reactions are possible besides hiding or flying away.

- Wandering off was discarded by me because there is a window opened from the outside, and the man who Jane Tanner saw.

- If Madeleine began to shout, a burglar may well put his hand on her mouth, carrying her out away for nobody to hear her shouting, or because he accidentally killed her or put her uncounscious, by asphyxia.

- The vast majority of burglars are uneducated people who have not a plan other than "go out and see what you can get", see Gottfredson and Hirshi for statistics. And they like taking risks or are not aware of risks. A burglary is a high risk, a burglar may lose his life for a mobile phone ...

- If you are a couple of meters from a person you do not use the phone to communicate with him (no communicatiosn between 21:52:30 and 22:15)

Sorry if I cannot participate next days, I am beginning a complex week today.