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Offline Brietta

The PJ had DNA? Cite? The British Consul knew about the assaults, but didn't he hear at a meeting of Tour Operators? I know one woman reported an incident the GNR, so no evidence the PJ knew as far as I know.

in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition, Nov. 6 2014

6 November 2014
DNA clears crucial suspect in the Maddie Case

Euclides already deceased motivated the reopening of the Maddie case process.

By Marisa Rodrigues

It has [finally] collapsed the investigation line that had Euclides Monteiro as a suspect, which also led to the reopening of the “Madeleine McCann process”. The Judiciary police (PJ) bet everything in the abduction of child at the hands of a sexual predator that allegedly attacked British children in the Algarve. However, DNA tests ruled out from the investigation the already deceased man.

At the site of one of the alleged sex abuses a sample of semen was collected, which the PJ already know that it does not belong to the former Ocean Club resort worker. Euclides' DNA was not found, in any case, at the Praia da Luz apartment from where the child disappeared seven years ago.

The thesis of the sexual predator began to be 'drawn' when the PJ inspectors grouped five cases of alleged sex abuse involving British children on holiday in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006, a year before the disappearance. Euclides matched the description made by some of the victims and had already served time for theft using the same method of intrusion into houses - without forced entry. Additionally, he worked at the Ocean Club, and also, in the same day of the disappearance he used his mobile phone in that area. He was the man that fitted the profile of the suspect.

Positive that the correspondence of the cases with an identical “modus operandi allowed for the admission of the possibility that the crimes had been committed by the same author and that this one could be related with Madeleine's disappearance, the PJ asked, in 2013, for the Public Ministry of Portimão to reopen the case.

The detectives knew that in one of the alleged sex abuse cases, there was a semen sample. They compared it with a biological vestige that had been collected previously from Euclides, which was in the possession of the Portuguese National Institute of Forensic Medicine. The man, it should be recalled, died in a tractor accident, in 2009, and was subject to an autopsy as the law dictates. The tests, however, ruled him out from the sex abuse and from the Ocean Club apartment.

The investigations remains open, at the hands of the Porto PJ, no further developments are known.

Arguidos among the 10 to be questioned

The Judiciary Police are going to question about ten people, all at the request of the Scotland Yard, within the scope of the English investigation. In the list, are Ocean Club former employees. All of them are going to be called for the first time. Some as witnesses and other as arguidos [formal suspects], who will join the already four other suspects that were questioned back in July. The questionings should be concluded before the end of the current month.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

That argument does not withstand logical extension.

If you disagree that committing petty crimes doesn't educate and encourage the petty criminal into escalating their criminal behaviour that is fine by me.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

When you look at all the old blx that has circulated around this case since almost the beginning is it any wonder at the manhours and expenses bill for O.G chasing down a load of old blx. I wonder what the final throw of the O.G die will reveal ?

One can only guess ... maybe the solution to a spate of burglaries? ... maybe even finding a missing child?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Benice

It's good to know that this deceased man has been cleared of that crime - especially for his family.

However I would be interested to know how he got into the properties which he did steal from.

Quote
Snipped

. Euclides matched the description made by some of the victims and had already served time for theft using the same method of intrusion into houses - without forced entry.
End quote

I wonder how he did that.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Alice Purjorick

If you disagree that committing petty crimes doesn't educate and encourage the petty criminal into escalating their criminal behaviour that is fine by me.

Good.
But explain the logic of your argument with examples where,in say Salisbury, petty burglars have advanced to kidnapping children.

If your theory is globally correct it will be relatively easy for you demonstrate it................ready steady Google.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

It's good to know that this deceased man has been cleared of that crime - especially for his family.

However I would be interested to know how he got into the properties which he did steal from.

Quote
Snipped

. Euclides matched the description made by some of the victims and had already served time for theft using the same method of intrusion into houses - without forced entry.
End quote

I wonder how he did that.

We have done this before:
The doors or windows were open.
He was Zeus.
He was really a reincarnation of  Roy "Rubber Bones" Webb.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline G-Unit

in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition, Nov. 6 2014

6 November 2014
DNA clears crucial suspect in the Maddie Case

Euclides already deceased motivated the reopening of the Maddie case process.

By Marisa Rodrigues

It has [finally] collapsed the investigation line that had Euclides Monteiro as a suspect, which also led to the reopening of the “Madeleine McCann process”. The Judiciary police (PJ) bet everything in the abduction of child at the hands of a sexual predator that allegedly attacked British children in the Algarve. However, DNA tests ruled out from the investigation the already deceased man.

At the site of one of the alleged sex abuses a sample of semen was collected, which the PJ already know that it does not belong to the former Ocean Club resort worker. Euclides' DNA was not found, in any case, at the Praia da Luz apartment from where the child disappeared seven years ago.

The thesis of the sexual predator began to be 'drawn' when the PJ inspectors grouped five cases of alleged sex abuse involving British children on holiday in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006, a year before the disappearance. Euclides matched the description made by some of the victims and had already served time for theft using the same method of intrusion into houses - without forced entry. Additionally, he worked at the Ocean Club, and also, in the same day of the disappearance he used his mobile phone in that area. He was the man that fitted the profile of the suspect.

Positive that the correspondence of the cases with an identical “modus operandi allowed for the admission of the possibility that the crimes had been committed by the same author and that this one could be related with Madeleine's disappearance, the PJ asked, in 2013, for the Public Ministry of Portimão to reopen the case.

The detectives knew that in one of the alleged sex abuse cases, there was a semen sample. They compared it with a biological vestige that had been collected previously from Euclides, which was in the possession of the Portuguese National Institute of Forensic Medicine. The man, it should be recalled, died in a tractor accident, in 2009, and was subject to an autopsy as the law dictates. The tests, however, ruled him out from the sex abuse and from the Ocean Club apartment.

The investigations remains open, at the hands of the Porto PJ, no further developments are known.

Arguidos among the 10 to be questioned

The Judiciary Police are going to question about ten people, all at the request of the Scotland Yard, within the scope of the English investigation. In the list, are Ocean Club former employees. All of them are going to be called for the first time. Some as witnesses and other as arguidos [formal suspects], who will join the already four other suspects that were questioned back in July. The questionings should be concluded before the end of the current month.

Thanks Brietta. Is the article correct? We don't know. I think it's wrong in one of it's statements though. The ten people included some who had already been interviewed if I remember correctly.
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Offline pegasus

Here's a detailed scenario, there are of course several possible variations, this is one
 
1 Burglar assesses that everyone is out.
2 Burglar knocks on door to double-check everyone is out - and nobody responds.
3 Burglar from outside raises shutter about 25cm.
4 Burglar reaches right arm under the shutter and slides window open.
5 This causes the barely ajar bedroom to slam shut.
6 Burglar's reaches right arm in under the shutter and begins to operate the shutter strap.
7 Child (unseen by burglar) flees to hide either in parents bedroom or in lounge.
8 Burglar fully raises shutter using strap.
9 Burglar looks into room and, having been sure everyone was out, is shocked to see two children in cots.
10 Burglar flees without having entered.

« Last Edit: May 24, 2016, 11:52:31 PM by pegasus »

Offline misty

Here's a detailed scenario, there are of course several possible variations, this is one
 
1 Burglar assesses that everyone is out.
2 Burglar knocks on door to double-check everyone is out - and nobody responds.
3 Burglar from outside raises shutter about 25cm.
4 Burglar reaches right arm under the shutter and slides window open.
5 This causes the barely ajar bedroom to slam shut.
6 Burglar's reaches right arm in under the shutter and begins to operate the shutter strap.
7 Child (unseen by burglar) flees to hide either in parents bedroom or in lounge.
8 Burglar fully raises shutter using strap.
9 Burglar looks into room and, having been sure everyone was out, is shocked to see two children in cots.
10 Burglar flees without having entered.

Can we please move on to the "what happened next" aspect?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Here's a detailed scenario, there are of course several possible variations, this is one
 
1 Burglar assesses that everyone is out.
2 Burglar knocks on door to double-check everyone is out - and nobody responds.
3 Burglar from outside raises shutter about 25cm.
4 Burglar reaches right arm under the shutter and slides window open.
5 This causes the barely ajar bedroom to slam shut.
6 Burglar's reaches right arm in under the shutter and begins to operate the shutter strap.
7 Child (unseen by burglar) flees to hide either in parents bedroom or in lounge.
8 Burglar fully raises shutter using strap.
9 Burglar looks into room and, having been sure everyone was out, is shocked to see two children in cots.
10 Burglar flees without having entered.
11.  Open shutter, open window.  Door does not shut again as Kate finds it open.
12.  Kate starts to close wide open door, which slams shut.
What's up, old man?

Offline pegasus

11.  Open shutter, open window.  Door does not shut again as Kate finds it open.
12.  Kate starts to close wide open door, which slams shut.
Yes that's correct Shining.
The draught coming in the open window can't close a wide open door, but it can close an almost closed door.

Offline pegasus

Scenario from the burglar's perspective:

1. Selected an apartment where it looked like everyone was out.
2. Knocked on door - no answer - this confirms everyone is out.
3. Used Heri method to open shutter and window.
4. Looked into room before climbing in.
5. Unexpectedly saw two small children in cots.
6. Thought "Oh no, there are children in here, that means parents must be in too".
7. Scarpered empty-handed before even entering.

(This assuming older child fled room, unseen by burglar, while burglar was opening shutter)
« Last Edit: May 25, 2016, 01:25:08 AM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

Re: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burgls
« Reply #1347 on: May 25, 2016, 01:31:28 AM »
Apparently its against forum rules now to suggest its possible kate mccann was lying oh loooooool


We have turned a corner does admin endorse this newfound agenda???! Yeah or ney? Dont delete as i will be taking it up with them, well u can delete if youre embarrassed or cant answer the question
The scenario I posted results in open window, open shutter, and open bedroom door Merc.
Exactly as KM describes. A truthful witness IMO.

Offline mercury

11.  Open shutter, open window.  Door does not shut again as Kate finds it open.
12.  Kate starts to close wide open door, which slams shut.

13 maybe mrs k wasnt telling the truth, is it a possibility or not?????


Offline mercury

Re: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burgls
« Reply #1349 on: May 25, 2016, 01:34:36 AM »
The scenario I posted results in open window, open shutter, and open bedroom door Merc.
Exactly as KM describes. A truthful witness IMO.
Just cos your scenario is a possibility doesnt make it so infact or make any witness honest sorry bout that