"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Wonderfulspam]

Q: Andy Redwood, the first senior investigating officer, said in one interview his policy was to go right
back to the beginning, accept nothing, but one thing you appear to have accepted is that this was an
abduction. It’s in your first remit statement, it refers to ‘the abduction’, which rather suggests right from
the start you had a closed mind to the possibility of parents’ involvement, an accident or Madeleine
simply walking out of the apartment.

MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the
original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was
all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of
investigation. The McCanns are parents of a missing girl, we are trying to get to the bottom of. In
terms of Andy using the word abduction, she was not old enough to set off and start her own life.
However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone
missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the
heart of this has been an abduction.

http://news.met.police.uk/documents/transcript-of-interview-with-ac-mark-rowley-66743


Not suspects, abduction.

That should convince anyone, apparently.

[barrier]

Q: Andy Redwood, the first senior investigating officer, said in one interview his policy was to go right
back to the beginning, accept nothing, but one thing you appear to have accepted is that this was an
abduction. It’s in your first remit statement, it refers to ‘the abduction’, which rather suggests right from
the start you had a closed mind to the possibility of parents’ involvement, an accident or Madeleine
simply walking out of the apartment.

MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the
original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was
all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of
investigation. The McCanns are parents of a missing girl, we are trying to get to the bottom of. In
terms of Andy using the word abduction, she was not old enough to set off and start her own life.
However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone
missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the
heart of this has been an abduction.

http://news.met.police.uk/documents/transcript-of-interview-with-ac-mark-rowley-66743


Not suspects, abduction.

That should convince anyone, apparently.

Trouble is,Rowley in the same interview had this to say.


Q: You say you haven’t got definitive evidence, do you have any clues at all which might explain what happened to her?
 
MR: So, you’ll understand from your experience, the way murder investigations work, detectives will start off with various hypotheses, about what’s happened in a murder, what has happened in a missing person’s investigation, whether someone has been abducted. All those different possibilities will be worked through. This case is no different from that but the evidence is limited at the moment to be cast iron as to which one of those hypotheses we should follow. So we have to keep an open mind. As I said we have some critical lines of enquiry, those linked to particular lines of enquiry, but I’m not going to discuss them today because they are very much live investigations. 
 

[faithlilly]

No, I know we don't know what she said. That's precisely my point. lol

In all the TV interviews I've seen, I'm fairly sure that that's how she described it, with a hand motion miming it.

IF that's what she meant, I can't think of a different word to convey that sense that would be understandable to a non-native English speaker. I might be able to at some point, but not under that kind of stress.

Or perhaps Kate said exactly what the interpreter wrote. The slamming door etc doesn't appear to the 10th of May collaboration  and this  is how it is described then ' At this point, she notices the curtains blowing forward with a gust of wind. ' Isn't it likely that  if Kate had mentioned the motion of the curtains that's how she'd have described it ? Isn't it possible that she simply didn't mention it ?

[Carana]

Or perhaps Kate said exactly what the interpreter wrote. The slamming door etc doesn't appear to the 10th of May collaboration  and this  is how it is described then ' At this point, she notices the curtains blowing forward with a gust of wind. ' Isn't it likely that  if Kate had mentioned the motion of the curtains that's how she'd have described it ? Isn't it possible that she simply didn't mention it ?

Of course, it's possible, but not certain.

By the time they'd managed to piece together details for the PJ, the group may well have realised the need for language that could be more easily understood.

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[kizzy]

Shouldn't that door have slammed as soon as she entered, not a couple of minutes later as k mccan describes below




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_embedded

[faithlilly]

Of course, it's possible, but not certain.

By the time they'd managed to piece together details for the PJ, the group may well have realised the need for language that could be more easily understood.

The group would have no idea that the interpreter had translated the 'whooshing' wrongly so why would they even be discussing it ?

[Wonderfulspam]

Shouldn't that door have slammed as soon as she entered, not a couple of minutes later as k mccan describes below




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_embedded

If not for that wind, Kate would not have made a visual check & would have just gone back out for tapas.

[Robittybob1]

If not for that wind, Kate would not have made a visual check & would have just gone back out for tapas.

She tells the story as it was. I believe every word she says.

[Carana]

The group would have no idea that the interpreter had translated the 'whooshing' wrongly so why would they even be discussing it ?

No idea. It's possible that Kate or even Gerry mentioned to the others what she'd said (if that's how she described it) and any of them could have wondered if that would have been understood. Or even possibly one of the FLOs if they'd seen a draft of it.

[faithlilly]

No idea. It's possible that Kate or even Gerry mentioned to the others what she'd said (if that's how she described it) and any of them could have wondered if that would have been understood. Or even possibly one of the FLOs if they'd seen a draft of it.

With the greatest respect Carana you really are clutching at straws now. Kate signed her statement as a true representation of what she had said. At the point of the collaboration there was no reason to believe that the translation  of Kate's words was anything other than precise so why would the group think that anything had been 'misunderstood ' ? Further why would the FLOs be discussing statements which were under judicial secrecy with the main protagonists?

[Carana]

With the greatest respect Carana you really are clutching at straws now. Kate signed her statement as a true representation of what she had said. At the point of the collaboration there was no reason to believe that the translation  of Kate's words was anything other than precise so why would the group think that anything had been 'misunderstood ' ? Further why would the FLOs be discussing statements which were under judicial secrecy with the main protagonists?

ETA: Adding this first.

No, I'm not clutching at straws. lol

I have no way of knowing to what extent (or even if) the lady read back every word re the typed statement.


I've no idea whether the lady who turned up at short notice had interpreted before (nor what level of English she had) and it happens to be the same person in Gerry's interview with the key issue. She could be bilingual for all I know, or she could have been e.g., a hotel receptionist at some point and simply had a working knowledge of basic English *. There's no way of knowing.

The FLOs were there to act as... a liaison and they (or one of them) handed the pages to the PJ. If one of them had thought that a hypothetical "whoosh" was likely to cause a language problem, one of them could have suggested changing it for clarity. I don't know if that is what happened or not, but I don't see anything wrong with suggesting a term that might be more easily understood. It doesn't change the meaning.

ETA
* She might even have been a translator, but the two are related but different beasts.

[Robittybob1]

Shouldn't that door have slammed as soon as she entered, not a couple of minutes later as k mccan describes below




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_embedded

No what Kate describes is physically correct.  The air speed increased as the gap decreases i.e "as I closed it to about here".

[faithlilly]

ETA: Adding this first.

No, I'm not clutching at straws. lol

I have no way of knowing to what extent (or even if) the lady read back every word re the typed statement.


I've no idea whether the lady who turned up at short notice had interpreted before (nor what level of English she had) and it happens to be the same person in Gerry's interview with the key issue. She could be bilingual for all I know, or she could have been e.g., a hotel receptionist at some point and simply had a working knowledge of basic English *. There's no way of knowing.

The FLOs were there to act as... a liaison and they (or one of them) handed the pages to the PJ. If one of them had thought that a hypothetical "whoosh" was likely to cause a language problem, one of them could have suggested changing it for clarity. I don't know if that is what happened or not, but I don't see anything wrong with suggesting a term that might be more easily understood. It doesn't change the meaning.

ETA
* She might even have been a translator, but the two are related but different beasts.

So the word 'whoosh' is in neither Kate or the collaboration statements. Why are you so insistent that it may have been ?

[Carana]

No what Kate describes is physically correct.  The air speed increased as the gap decreases i.e "as I closed it to about here".

Yes, that makes sense. That was on my lonnnnng list of questions for ages until exactly the same thing happened to me.