"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Eleanor]

 

How do you know that.

Why would he not leave the door as he found it?

[kizzy]

Why would he not leave the door as he found it?

You tell me, it was k mccann,  who said it was not as she left it.

[Lace]

 

How do you know that.

Well in one of your posts you said 'he didn't'   so how do you know that?

Matthew says nothing about touching the door and moving it in his statement.

[kizzy]

Well in one of your posts you said 'he didn't'   so how do you know that?

Matthew says nothing about touching the door and moving it in his statement.

What post was that i have not mentioned matt in any of my posts.

[Miss Taken Identity]

But it does matter, how did she know how the door had been left on the last check.

Don't forget g mccann went in room admiring maddie. how did he leave the door.

She said the door was not how they left it, so imo, that could mean no one checked after they had left.

Why do you think she did not mention any this to police.

I have been saying this for years. I feel it is very important. How did she know Gerry or Matt didn't move it, Gerry has his proud father moment at the door, did he not notice the door had been moved from its well anchored position he and Kate left it as they both left together from the children's bedroom... Oh wait, well that didn't happen did it?

Neither Kate or Gerry knew how open or closed the door was, which knocks another invention of there being an abductor in the apartment while Gerry was there.

Gerry also mentioned he saw his daughter on top of the covers as he left her (when was this) Kate claims she saw her daughter in bed all snuggled up under the covers when she left for dinner. I mean come on people. Can they not fill in these gaps?

[Lace]

What post was that i have not mentioned matt in any of my posts.

Sorry my mistake it was Jassi.

[Lace]

I have been saying this for years. I feel it is very important. How did she know Gerry or Matt didn't move it, Gerry has his proud father moment at the door, did he not notice the door had been moved from its well anchored position he and Kate left it as they both left together from the children's bedroom... Oh wait, well that didn't happen did it?

Neither Kate or Gerry knew how open or closed the door was, which knocks another invention of there being an abductor in the apartment while Gerry was there.

Gerry also mentioned he saw his daughter on top of the covers as he left her (when was this) Kate claims she saw her daughter in bed all snuggled up under the covers when she left for dinner. I mean come on people. Can they not fill in these gaps?

Kate and Gerry knew how open they left the door,   they left it open the same way as they would at home IMO

We left the bedroom doors open just a bit too with our children and we both knew how much to leave it open.

Now about Madeleine being on top of the covers,  well she could have come out of the covers because she was too warm,  but still be in the position they had left her in, she could easily have got out of the covers in her sleep.

[jassi]

Don't think that stands scrutiny.
It was a cold night and bedcloths were said to be undisturbed when police arrived.
A child wriggling out wouldn't leave bedclothes undisturbed
IMO

[pathfinder73]

"I did a visual check of the (McCann - PF) children on the Sunday night." 

"I’d done on my Sunday check on their kids, when I actually did go in through the patio door and from, I’d, I’d come in through the patio door here and gone across sort of diagonally to the, the room where the children were and then just sort of listened at the door without actually entering."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Russell doesn't say anything about an ajar door position or moving the bedroom door open to look inside and do his visual check on the McCann children. I would like to see the video of that interview to see if he does any physical actions when explaining the check. These are questions OG should be asking or should I do their work for them!

[Miss Taken Identity]

Kate and Gerry knew how open they left the door,   they left it open the same way as they would at home IMO

We left the bedroom doors open just a bit too with our children and we both knew how much to leave it open.

Now about Madeleine being on top of the covers,  well she could have come out of the covers because she was too warm,  but still be in the position they had left her in, she could easily have got out of the covers in her sleep.

I am analysing the statements as said by the parents  your opinion is way off the mark you are trying to put words into peoples heads.

" they left it open the same way as they would at home IMO" No evidence of this or mentioned by the parents this was what they did.

AND
"well she could have come out of the covers because she was too warm,"
You are offering an excuse on behalf of the parents-because you don't know this , the mother said it was a cold night .

AND
you want us to believe a child slept in the EXACT same position having let herself out of the covers as both parents left her?

We have already established that both parents did not put Maddie to bed as a couple- they have told us this. Gerry saying she was on top where he left her as it was a warm night- Kate saying she was left under the covers all snug as it  was a cold night...

[jassi]

I am analysing the statements as said by the parents  your opinion is way off the mark you are trying to put words into peoples heads.

" they left it open the same way as they would at home IMO" No evidence of this or mentioned by the parents this was what they did.

AND
"well she could have come out of the covers because she was too warm,"
You are offering an excuse on behalf of the parents-because you don't know this , the mother said it was a cold night .

AND
you want us to believe a child slept in the EXACT same position having let herself out of the covers as both parents left her?

We have already established that both parents did not put Maddie to bed as a couple- they have told us this. Gerry saying she was on top where he left her as it was a warm night- Kate saying she was left under the covers all snug as it  was a cold night...

So which is it? - they can't both be right.

[Eleanor]

You tell me, it was k mccann,  who said it was not as she left it.

But he had been there in the meantime, so Kate wouldn't know who moved it.

If you want my opinion, which I doubt, then I think someone went into the apartment before Gerry's 9pm check.  Gerry re positioned the door, not paying a lot of attention to why the door had moved, and then someone exited the bedroom with Madeleine after Gerry left, which was how Matt found it, and so did Kate.
This why some of us think that someone was in there when Gerry checked.

[Eleanor]

Don't think that stands scrutiny.
It was a cold night and bedcloths were said to be undisturbed when police arrived.
A child wriggling out wouldn't leave bedclothes undisturbed
IMO

The bed coveres were clearly not undisturbed.

[pathfinder73]

So which is it? - they can't both be right.

Maybe they are both wrong.

[jassi]

The bed coveres were clearly not undisturbed.

I beg to differ. Doesn't look as if a child has been sleeping in that bed.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/apartment-madeleine-mccann-vanished-bought-9907370