"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[pathfinder73]

Yes,  and?   The wind hadn't started up then had it?   Or is that just making it up again,  maybe it is better not debate about this to you sorry.

Matt is the witness in the apartment at 21:30. Matt said there was no draughts and the curtains were still. The window was closed as far as Matt is concerned.

[Alice Purjorick]

What's it called again? - false memory   

I am beginning to regret posting that link!

[Lace]

How do you know that?

Matthew said it was all quiet he didn't her any wind blowing.  Anyway,  just in case I am accused of filling in gaps and making excuses I am not discussing this any further.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Obvious what you were thinking,  that they were lying,   that Madeleine hadn't gone to bed at all.  Am I right?  Why else would you point it out?   Then I came up with a perfectly good reason why they could be different and you started  the  'making excuses'  etc etc.

No, sorry you are absolutely wrong! I don't think any such thing.  The thread title is about a police chiefs comments -"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief." The police believe they are lying, I am just looking at why they would think that, and noticed the difference in the stories, I just wondered why they would be different, and then agreed with the police chief's statement that a reconstruction would flag the reason up.

You came up with a story which has no evidence to back it up, you offered your version of what may have happened in defence of the parents. It doesn't answer the question though does it.

 I do not need to make excuses, I have not formed an opinion, so you don't need to agree or disagree with me on this matter. And you don't need to go thinking what I am thinking, but if it so pleases you to do so, carry on.

[Robittybob1]

How do you know that?

There are local gusts and winds.  I have seen weather charts, so a general idea could be made, but I still know weather can be fickle with localised wind gusts.

[Alice Purjorick]

There are local gusts and winds. I have seen weather charts, so a general idea could be made, but I still know weather can be fickle with localised wind gusts.

For PdL at the time and location under consideration?
Do please share.

[sadie]

For PdL at the time and location under consideration?
Do please share.

At least twice in the past I have posted the official weather reports for Lagos (Algarve) and for Faro.  These were over three days including 3rd May 2007.
Between them they were extreemly informative including that at 10pm at Lagos it was very gusty with winds up to  ????mph/ Kph [gone now ] ... and at the time I suggested that a special place should be opened, in forum, to keep FACTS such as these

We have lost tides, sun rise, moon rise, wind speeds etc along with all the other more regular meteorogical stuff.  What a shame that it has all gone, it appears. 

Maybe John can refind the reports, if he has the time please

[kizzy]

There are local gusts and winds.  I have seen weather charts, so a general idea could be made, but I still know weather can be fickle with localised wind gusts.

Can you check the chart.

Regarding the direction of the wind on 3.5.2007,IIRC  it was a Westerly wind that day and night. As their patio faces south, the wind would have had to have wooshed around a corner !

[Robittybob1]

Can you check the chart.

Regarding the direction of the wind on 3.5.2007,IIRC  it was a Westerly wind that day and night. As their patio faces south, the wind would have had to have wooshed around a corner !

As it does around buildings, you are going to get turbulence and eddies.

[kizzy]

As it does around buildings, you are going to get turbulence and eddies.

Surely that is in very strong winds, no one mentioned it was a windy night, apart from k mccann. imo

[Robittybob1]

Surely that is in very strong winds, no one mentioned it was a windy night, apart from k mccann. imo

I can't be sure of how the wind affects PdL.  I've never been there.  SIL may be able to answer that?

[Alice Purjorick]

At least twice in the past I have posted the official weather reports for Lagos (Algarve) and for Faro.  These were over three days including 3rd May 2007.
Between them they were extreemly informative including that at 10pm at Lagos it was very gusty with winds up to  ????mph/ Kph [gone now ] ... and at the time I suggested that a special place should be opened, in forum, to keep FACTS such as these

We have lost tides, sun rise, moon rise, wind speeds etc along with all the other more regular meteorogical stuff.  What a shame that it has all gone, it appears. 

Maybe John can refind the reports, if he has the time please

The two sites you reference will not give the necessary detail.
Was there a weather station at PdL on 3rd May 2007?

[ShiningInLuz]

The two sites you reference will not give the necessary detail.
Was there a weather station at PdL on 3rd May 2007?

AFAIK, there is no weather station in Lagos.  The only place I can think of that might have such a facility is the small airport to the east of Lagos, but I have searched for data from it without success. 

The nearest weather stations are Sagres to the west and Faro to the east.  Neither will give a nailed-on version of the weather in Luz. The ex-airman who is claimed as having a weather station in Luz was linking to the one in Faro.

Paulo Rebelo requested weather conditions for Luz, but seems not to have followed through, as these are not in the file.

Luz is basically bowl-shaped, with the half out to sea having been cut off.  We lived in various places over the years.  At the top it can be quite windy, but as one walks down the semi-bowl towards the sea, the wind drops off rapidly.  By apartment 5A level, there is seldom any wind.

There are two other problems with this tale.

Any wind is normally stronger during the day, powered by the Algarve sun.  By 10pm it has normally dropped to nothing.

Kate's recall is that the door slammed shut.  She checked the lounge patio doors, but those were closed.  To date, I have not identified where these wind gusts could have gone after entry.

[Carana]

AFAIK, there is no weather station in Lagos.  The only place I can think of that might have such a facility is the small airport to the east of Lagos, but I have searched for data from it without success. 

The nearest weather stations are Sagres to the west and Faro to the east.  Neither will give a nailed-on version of the weather in Luz. The ex-airman who is claimed as having a weather station in Luz was linking to the one in Faro.

Paulo Rebelo requested weather conditions for Luz, but seems not to have followed through, as these are not in the file.

Luz is basically bowl-shaped, with the half out to sea having been cut off.  We lived in various places over the years.  At the top it can be quite windy, but as one walks down the semi-bowl towards the sea, the wind drops off rapidly.  By apartment 5A level, there is seldom any wind.

There are two other problems with this tale.

Any wind is normally stronger during the day, powered by the Algarve sun.  By 10pm it has normally dropped to nothing.

Kate's recall is that the door slammed shut.  She checked the lounge patio doors, but those were closed.  To date, I have not identified where these wind gusts could have gone after entry.

I had a look at this weather business as well, and there doesn't appear to have been any station at the time in Luz itself.

My query over the assertions based on assuming that Faro represented the weather in Luz on Thursday is that Faro is to the east, as you well know, obviously. If the weather came in from the west, then it would presumably have hit PdL prior to Faro.

All the statements that I've seen refer to rainy weather on the Wednesday in Luz, but better weather on Thursday.

Unless everyone questioned about the weather is "init", of course....

[misty]

Whilst I realise we're not supposed to link to other fora, there is a chart on here which shows the hourly weather conditions in Lagos. Scroll right down to get a clear copy of the recorded wind-speeds for 3/5/07.

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4144-weather-in-praia-da-luz