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Offline Carana

Re: "We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.
« Reply #900 on: January 24, 2018, 07:59:00 AM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on January 23, 2018, 08:55:55 PM
Conspiracy theories like Old Mother Shipton's sayings and Nostradamus all have one thing in common.
They work real fine after the event but are not so hot before....iyswim

John Oliver on YT conspiracy theories :)

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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #901 on: January 24, 2018, 08:34:08 AM »
I know for certain that if a re-enactment was to be done it had to be held on a Friday the 13th of May.   8)--))
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Offline slartibartfast

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« Reply #902 on: January 24, 2018, 08:39:15 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 24, 2018, 08:34:08 AM
I know for certain that if a re-enactment was to be done it had to be held on a Friday the 13th of May.   8)--))

Why?
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #903 on: January 24, 2018, 08:44:04 AM »
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #904 on: January 25, 2018, 07:21:07 AM »
I would like the re-enactment to still go ahead.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #905 on: January 25, 2018, 07:58:10 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 25, 2018, 07:21:07 AM
I would like the re-enactment to still go ahead.

in what way would a re enactment help
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #906 on: January 25, 2018, 08:29:37 AM »
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2018, 07:58:10 AM
in what way would a re enactment help
I have identified at least 6 things I want clarified and I'm not complete yet.  I can't recall all of them off the top of my head but the one I have been raving on about is how close to the top road were Gerry and Jez standing as they talked?
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #907 on: January 25, 2018, 08:30:58 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 25, 2018, 08:29:37 AM
I have identified at least 6 things I want clarified and I'm not complete yet.  I can't recall all of them off the top of my head but the one I have been raving on about is how close to the top road were Gerry and Jez standing as they talked?

how would these things being clarified help the investigation....I dont see a re enactmnet would help
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Offline slartibartfast

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« Reply #908 on: January 25, 2018, 08:41:16 AM »
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2018, 08:30:58 AM
how would these things being clarified help the investigation....I dont see a re enactmnet would help

Would it hurt?
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #909 on: January 25, 2018, 08:54:26 AM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on January 25, 2018, 08:41:16 AM
Would it hurt?

It would need to have some value for it to be worthwhile...posters dont seem to be able to come up with any value..

lets do it...because it wouldnt hurt....doesnt really do it
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Offline slartibartfast

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« Reply #910 on: January 25, 2018, 09:06:09 AM »
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
It would need to have some value for it to be worthwhile...posters dont seem to be able to come up with any value..

lets do it...because it wouldnt hurt....doesnt really do it

Well it’s better than “we shouldn’t do it because I don’t see the point”.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #911 on: January 25, 2018, 09:08:22 AM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on January 25, 2018, 09:06:09 AM
Well it’s better than “we shouldn’t do it because I don’t see the point”.

It isnt. A reconstruction must have a purpose...none has been put forward...it must have  a point.....so your criticism is invalid and should at least have a caveat...imo......thats my opinion
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #912 on: January 25, 2018, 10:45:46 AM »
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2018, 09:08:22 AM
It isnt. A reconstruction must have a purpose...none has been put forward...it must have  a point.....so your criticism is invalid and should at least have a caveat...imo......thats my opinion
I find the fact that they say they talked uphill of the gate, and they were walking toward each other one walking toward the upper road and the other walking toward the tapas entrance and they meet.  That to me is a physical impossibility so I want to see it done in a re-enactment to find out how it was done.  To see if one or more was telling a lie. 
G-unit found a solution and that was Gerry came out front door, and walked from the top road down hill, but then why was Jez saying he thought Gerry came out of side gate, and in the second statement even Gerry says he left via the side gate.  Ok it would seem more reasonable to have them meeting where Jane said she saw them, but then Jez could never be right about being able to recognise someone on the top road.  And then that doesn't explain why the Agreed timeline said they met uphill of the gate. 
None of this explains why Gerry and Jez didn't see Jane.
It has me totally stumped.
Which bit of this puzzle comes first?
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #913 on: January 25, 2018, 10:59:55 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 25, 2018, 10:45:46 AM
I find the fact that they say they talked uphill of the gate, and they were walking toward each other one walking toward the upper road and the other walking toward the tapas entrance and they meet.  That to me is a physical impossibility so I want to see it done in a re-enactment to find out how it was done.  To see if one or more was telling a lie. 
G-unit found a solution and that was Gerry came out front door, and walked from the top road down hill, but then why was Jez saying he thought Gerry came out of side gate, and in the second statement even Gerry says he left via the side gate.  Ok it would seem more reasonable to have them meeting where Jane said she saw them, but then Jez could never be right about being able to recognise someone on the top road.  And then that doesn't explain why the Agreed timeline said they met uphill of the gate. 
None of this explains why Gerry and Jez didn't see Jane.
It has me totally stumped.
Which bit of this puzzle comes first?
So you want to check the tapas version of events... Why didn't the pj do this at the rogs if they thought it was necessary
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Offline Angelo222

Re: "We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.
« Reply #914 on: January 25, 2018, 11:03:27 AM »
Quote from: Davel on January 25, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
It would need to have some value for it to be worthwhile...posters dont seem to be able to come up with any value..

lets do it...because it wouldnt hurt....doesnt really do it

A reconstitution is what the Portuguese do which involves the original participants, something which we in the UK are not familiar with.  This is not the same as a reconstruction involving stand-ins like police officers.

I agree it has to be worthwhile and it certainly would have been in the Maddie disappearance since so much doesn't add up.  There are too many conflicting accounts of who did and said what at various times between the tapas group and the hotel staff.  A reconstitution would identify who had the poor memory and who made things up.  Who was being genuine and who was obstructive.

Amaral and his team made a huge error in not arranging a reconstitution early on but then they were being pressurised in other directions.
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