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stephen25000

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Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #105 on: May 09, 2016, 01:24:04 PM »
so who carries out the interview...I would suggest it is a detective who reports to the lead...they have a discussion and go from there. It is not the chain of people who do not talk to each other as gunit is suggesting

How would you know what procedure is followed ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #106 on: May 09, 2016, 01:39:40 PM »
How would you know what procedure is followed ?

because I have been personally involved in a police investigation...more than one

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #107 on: May 09, 2016, 01:54:29 PM »
because I have been personally involved in a police investigation...more than one
Are you going to support that claim?  Or are we supposed simply to accept it?

We are being asked to accept that the McCanns were interviewed, with, to date, one newspaper article which is unclear about whether there were discussions or whether there was a formal interview.  And we have a remit phrased to limit the investigation to abduction.

Now we have speculation about internal reporting on what is probably the largest case ever to go through HOLMES.

And close to a vacuum when it comes to hard evidence.
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2016, 01:55:02 PM »
because I have been personally involved in a police investigation...more than one

Without a cite, that is meaningless.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2016, 02:01:12 PM »
Are you going to support that claim?  Or are we supposed simply to accept it?

We are being asked to accept that the McCanns were interviewed, with, to date, one newspaper article which is unclear about whether there were discussions or whether there was a formal interview.  And we have a remit phrased to limit the investigation to abduction.

Now we have speculation about internal reporting on what is probably the largest case ever to go through HOLMES.

And close to a vacuum when it comes to hard evidence.

If you still do not accept the McCanns have been interviewed you will find you are in a small minority. John..an ex policeman and forum owner suggests taht an interview would be a matter of course
If you have a problem with speculation then you may need to think whether you should be taking part in any discussions...the forum is full of speculation

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Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #110 on: May 09, 2016, 02:13:04 PM »
so who carries out the interview...I would suggest it is a detective who reports to the lead...they have a discussion and go from there. It is not the chain of people who do not talk to each other as gunit is suggesting

The SIO runs the investigation. They decide everything and their team follows their directions. The SIO has lots of advice to call on if required and they report upwards. Some interesting info here, particularly about the weight given to different kinds of evidence;

A clear understanding of the reliability of the material will enable investigators to determine the weight they should give to it in the evaluation. The following may assist investigators to determine the appropriate weight a piece of material should be given:

• Material that can be corroborated by an independent source of material will have high reliability;
• Material that can only be corroborated by a person such as a spouse or other relative will have less reliability;
• Material that cannot be corroborated and conflicts with other material gathered in the investigation, will have       less reliability;
• Material indicating other factors which may cast doubt on reliability of the material.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/APPref/core-investigative-doctrine.pdf
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Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #111 on: May 09, 2016, 02:22:06 PM »
If you still do not accept the McCanns have been interviewed you will find you are in a small minority. John..an ex policeman and forum owner suggests taht an interview would be a matter of course
If you have a problem with speculation then you may need to think whether you should be taking part in any discussions...the forum is full of speculation

What do you mean by 'interviewed'?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #112 on: May 09, 2016, 02:25:41 PM »
The SIO runs the investigation. They decide everything and their team follows their directions. The SIO has lots of advice to call on if required and they report upwards. Some interesting info here, particularly about the weight given to different kinds of evidence;

A clear understanding of the reliability of the material will enable investigators to determine the weight they should give to it in the evaluation. The following may assist investigators to determine the appropriate weight a piece of material should be given:

• Material that can be corroborated by an independent source of material will have high reliability;
• Material that can only be corroborated by a person such as a spouse or other relative will have less reliability;
• Material that cannot be corroborated and conflicts with other material gathered in the investigation, will have       less reliability;
• Material indicating other factors which may cast doubt on reliability of the material.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/APPref/core-investigative-doctrine.pdf

so...the statement by Ben Needhams grandmother...what reliability will that have.  These guidelines seem to be  a general guide which may change depending on other factors

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #113 on: May 09, 2016, 02:29:08 PM »
If you still do not accept the McCanns have been interviewed you will find you are in a small minority. John..an ex policeman and forum owner suggests taht an interview would be a matter of course
If you have a problem with speculation then you may need to think whether you should be taking part in any discussions...the forum is full of speculation
I take from your response that you are unwilling to support your claim and/or how your experience compares with OG.

So, no evidence re interviews.  No evidence re setting of the remit.  No evidence re your claim.

Just so the guests reading this thread know the score.
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #114 on: May 09, 2016, 02:35:33 PM »
I take from your response that you are unwilling to support your claim and/or how your experience compares with OG.

So, no evidence re interviews.  No evidence re setting of the remit.  No evidence re your claim.

Just so the guests reading this thread know the score.

Redwood himself was in Portugal. Can we assume he sat in on the interviews or do you need a photograph.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #115 on: May 09, 2016, 02:38:40 PM »
I take from your response that you are unwilling to support your claim and/or how your experience compares with OG.

So, no evidence re interviews.  No evidence re setting of the remit.  No evidence re your claim.

Just so the guests reading this thread know the score.

Remember you made a claim that Heri had not ruled out the Mccanns...do you have any evidence to support that when his blog states that madeleine was abducted....you do not

stephen25000

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Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #116 on: May 09, 2016, 03:32:19 PM »
Remember you made a claim that Heri had not ruled out the Mccanns...do you have any evidence to support that when his blog states that madeleine was abducted....you do not

His blog states abduction as if a fact.

IT ISN'T.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #117 on: May 09, 2016, 03:34:32 PM »
His blog states abduction as if a fact.

IT ISN'T.

so why is sil claiming he hasn't ruled out the mccanns...

stephen25000

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Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #118 on: May 09, 2016, 03:43:20 PM »
I believe she said that Heriberto  considered other options, but when did he do that  exactly ?

I have only read some of his blog, so does anyone know how many cases he has helped solved in aiding the police ?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #119 on: May 09, 2016, 03:43:32 PM »
so who carries out the interview...I would suggest it is a detective who reports to the lead...they have a discussion and go from there. It is not the chain of people who do not talk to each other as gunit is suggesting

1 Why?
2 G-Unit did not suggest an interview was carried out by a chain of people who do not communicate .
Just consider:
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