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Offline Robittybob1

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #180 on: August 29, 2016, 09:28:11 AM »
the important FACT is that SY are prepared to accept she is alive ...despite the alerts...SY MUST therefore believe there is an alternative explanation for the alerts
I like the logic here.  I wonder if it comes to a conclusion.
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Offline Carana

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #181 on: August 29, 2016, 01:57:07 PM »
"Is the match genuine of is it a chance match."

A chance match? &%+((£



I don't see your problem with Lowe's explanation, Pathfinder.

It seems logical to me.

Offline Eleanor

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #182 on: August 29, 2016, 08:15:46 PM »
I'll answer you if you can tell me how Sean's top gets highly contaminated with cadaver odour?

You have proof of this, do you?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #183 on: August 29, 2016, 08:22:44 PM »
You have proof of this, do you?
Shining informed me it was Sean's top, and I've watched the video of Eddie alerting to the top.  That was enough for me.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #184 on: August 29, 2016, 08:28:50 PM »
Shining informed me it was Sean's top, and I've watched the video of Eddie alerting to the top.  That was enough for me.

No Forensics.  No Proof.

Please stop jumping to conclusions and assuming that you know better than The Investigation.

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #185 on: August 29, 2016, 08:34:17 PM »
I don't see your problem with Lowe's explanation, Pathfinder.

It seems logical to me.

The thing I have long found infuriating about all experts (and to be clear, John Lowe is one) is that they just will not commit themselves (unequivocally) to any darned thing.

John Lowe was invited to answer a specific and narrow question (and did so). 

He was asked whether the forensic result from the boot of the car advanced knowledge (about whether  Madeleine had been transported somewhere dead in the boot of the car); or whether it didn't.

Because it was no part of his brief to, Lowe did not consider wider considerations, such as the idea that hiring a car 3 weeks after Madeleine's abduction and transporting her somewhere dead was plain barking.  He didn't, even, consider that the dog-reaction was forensically established and innocent.

He simply considered: from the forensic analysis -- alone -- can we state, certainly, that Madeleine was transported somewhere dead in the car?

Or can we state, certainly, that Madeleine wasn't?

Anwers to both questions: no and no.

From forensic analysis alone  it didn't definitively rule out that Madeleine had been taken somewhere dead in the Renault.

And it didn't definitively rule it in.

State of knowledge (about whether Madeleine was taken somewhere dead in the car, or whether she wasn't) exactly the same after the forensic analysis as before.

No advancement (in solving the mystery of what happened to Madeleine) from the forensic analysis.

In that sense, inconclusive.




Offline Robittybob1

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #186 on: August 29, 2016, 09:03:14 PM »
No Forensics.  No Proof.

Please stop jumping to conclusions and assuming that you know better than The Investigation.
I think Shining is right that the top was Sean's and not Madeleine's.
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Offline sadie

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #187 on: August 30, 2016, 12:55:42 AM »
I'll answer you if you can tell me how Sean's top gets highly contaminated with cadaver odour?
That's the question that we would all like to ask, but did Eddie alert to Cadavar Odour or did he alert to blood?  Eddie alerts to blood as well as Cadavar odour

It needed Keela to sniff at it too, to confirm whether it was blood or Cadavar odour.  Did she sniff it, or did she not?  I cant remember.

If she didn't then the most likely scenario is that it was blood from a living person he was alerting to.

Offline mercury

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #188 on: August 30, 2016, 01:01:20 AM »
That's the question that we would all like to ask, but did Eddie alert to Cadavar Odour or did he alert to blood?  Eddie alerts to blood as well as Cadavar odour

It needed Keela to sniff at it too, to confirm whether it was blood or Cadavar odour.  Did she sniff it, or did she not?  I cant remember.

If she didn't then the most likely scenario is that it was blood from a living person he was alerting to.

No sadie thats wrong
Eddie alerted to the t shirt
Keela didnt
Ergo no blood on it

Offline sadie

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #189 on: August 30, 2016, 02:03:53 AM »
No sadie thats wrong
Eddie alerted to the t shirt
Keela didnt
Ergo no blood on it

But was it presented to Keela?  By which I mean did they take keela to sniff at all the clothes?

And had anyone been eating a bacon sarnie?

Anyway it was S**ns tee-shirt, not Madeleines.  Too small for Madeleine.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #190 on: August 30, 2016, 02:16:57 AM »
That's the question that we would all like to ask, but did Eddie alert to Cadavar Odour or did he alert to blood?  Eddie alerts to blood as well as Cadavar odour

It needed Keela to sniff at it too, to confirm whether it was blood or Cadavar odour.  Did she sniff it, or did she not?  I cant remember.

If she didn't then the most likely scenario is that it was blood from a living person he was alerting to.
Eddie only alerted to cadaver odour, so if he appears to alert to blood it is because the blood has decomposed prior to him scenting it.  You don't need a whole cadaver to get cadaver odour, body parts and tissues will give the same results.
Keela sniffs for dried fresh human blood.
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Offline pegasus

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #191 on: August 30, 2016, 03:30:12 AM »
But was it presented to Keela?  By which I mean did they take keela to sniff at all the clothes?

And had anyone been eating a bacon sarnie?

Anyway it was S**ns tee-shirt, not Madeleines.  Too small for Madeleine.
What height range and age range does it say on the label Sadie?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #192 on: August 30, 2016, 06:35:19 AM »
What height range and age range does it say on the label Sadie?
Is there a photo clear enough to read that sort of information?
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html
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02 August 2007
Gerry McCann cancels trip to Huelva due to 'viral illness'.
 
Around 18:00pm, the Inspectors knock on the door of the McCanns villa. Jon Corner states in the Panorama documentary that the McCanns were forewarned of this forensic visit and that there were clothes in the washing machine when the Inspectors arrived.
 
Cadaver odour is indicated on two pieces of Kate's clothing (trousers and blouse), on a red T-shirt believed to belong to Madeleine and on the soft toy known as 'Cuddle Cat'.
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #193 on: August 30, 2016, 06:43:57 AM »
here is a photo of Sean wearing the red top.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #194 on: August 30, 2016, 06:46:01 AM »
We still need some scenario that would get Sean's red "T" shirt covered in cadaver odour?
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