Inconsistencies in the witness statements of JM and SB

[scipio_usmc]

Why did JM forget to say it was her 21st birthday on 26th Aug and the birthday dinner her mother arranged in Colchester?  In the UK dinner is usually referred to as an evening meal.  Lunch at midday.  JM said she and JB left for London at 2.00 - 2.30pm.  She said JB took her to the train station on 27th Aug to return to London?

No mention of who paid for the 21st birthday dinner or JB's pressie to JM save the cheque for £400 at a later date for a hol.

Nothing of significance happened with respect to Jeremy one would have to presume she mean.

The norm for early parties is to serve a dinner meal despite the time of day. You will eat the kind of food normally eaten at dinner and thus some still call it dinner.

If you eat sandwiches or something normally associated with lunch with the intention people eat a dinner later then you call it a lunch party.  What particular people will call such things will vary.

Someone who eats nothing until 1PM and then eats a bowl of cereal will frequently call that breakfast because we associate cereal with breakfast.

Obviously you are saying the person who called my house a flat was wrong to do so but he did and what should I make of it- that he is a dolt? You are being too literal.  You would not like life as a lawyer you would hate dealing with the lack of precision that people use day in and out. 

[Myster]

Why did JM forget to say it was her 21st birthday on 26th Aug and the birthday dinner her mother arranged in Colchester?  In the UK dinner is usually referred to as an evening meal.  Lunch at midday.  JM said she and JB left for London at 2.00 - 2.30pm.  She said JB took her to the train station on 27th Aug to return to London?

No mention of who paid for the 21st birthday dinner or JB's pressie to JM save the cheque for £400 at a later date for a hol.

Julie and her mother were from the North-West (Cheshire?) I believe, where at that period, dinner was often referred to as the midday meal... until Southerners interfered.

[Holly Goodhead]

You don't half go on!!!  We used to call them bedsits at uni.  No.42 was simply a house where the bedrooms were made into individual units to be rented out separately.

Any ideas about the following:

In JM's WS of 8th/9th Sep she states after she told SB they never discussed again:

"From that day to the present I haven't spoken to Susan about what Jeremy told me regarding the killings".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1128

This contradicts with SB's WS's of 10th Sep:

"After she first told me about the shootings both Julie and I spoke about it on a number of occasions"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=529.0;attach=1665

Come on girls get your stories right.  You're not talking about some girly gossip here.  You're talking 5 murders.  Either it was discussed on one occasion or a number of occasions.

[david1819]

Any ideas about the following:

In JM's WS of 8th/9th Sep she states after she told SB they never discussed again:

"From that day to the present I haven't spoken to Susan about what Jeremy told me regarding the killings".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1128

This contradicts with SB's WS's of 10th Sep:

"After she first told me about the shootings both Julie and I spoke about it on a number of occasions"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=529.0;attach=1665

Come on girls get your stories right.  You're not talking about some girly gossip here.  You're talking 5 murders.  Either it was discussed on one occasion or a number of occasions.

I find it odd Julie has never mentioned the case since 1986 when almost every other major witness has. Relatives and Police always make an appearance in documentaries yet Julie does not.

I would have thought she has had plenty of offers thou 

[Holly Goodhead]

You don't half go on!!!  We used to call them bedsits at uni.  No.42 was simply a house where the bedrooms were made into individual units to be rented out separately.

In SB's WS of 10th Sept she confirms 42 Caterham Road was a 3 bed semi with one of the downstairs rooms used as a bedroom.  Flats are purpose built or converted but both have everything required for independent living eg cooking and washing.  It would not be possible or practical to turn each bedroom at Caterham Road into individual units/flats.  It was a shared house.  SB also makes clear prior to taking up residence at 42 Catherham Road she and JM were in halls of residence and she referred to these dwellings as "rooms".

Throughout SB's WS's of 10th Sept she refers to 42 Catherham Road as a "house" and makes no reference to "flat":

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Throughout SB's WS of 23rd Sept the reverse happens where she refers to 42 Catherham Road as a "flat" and makes no reference to "house":

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Exactly the same situation with JM's WS.  I don't have time to go through them right now but I will do later because I'm very geeky and like looking for patterns even though I may be the only person on the planet that can find meaning in the pattern  *&*%£

[Holly Goodhead]

JM was selling bank coin bags of cannabis for £5 a pop. 

SB said she didn't see JB bring the bags into the house she shared with JM but after he had been and gone the bags would appear.  She said there were ten bags at the most at any one time:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=b5grts1elec1r0v02voqfpdqa5&action=dlattach;topic=529.0;attach=1655

JM said she sold £100 worth and gave JB £70 as she had spent £30 on herself
(£100/£5 = 20 bags)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfuuuf8jl1kh73q5tor8d78496&action=dlattach;topic=283.0;attach=1058

[Holly Goodhead]

JM was selling bank coin bags of cannabis for £5 a pop. 

SB said she didn't see JB bring the bags into the house she shared with JM but after he had been and gone the bags would appear.  She said there were ten bags at the most at any one time:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=b5grts1elec1r0v02voqfpdqa5&action=dlattach;topic=529.0;attach=1655

JM said she sold £100 worth and gave JB £70 as she had spent £30 on herself
(£100/£5 = 20 bags)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfuuuf8jl1kh73q5tor8d78496&action=dlattach;topic=283.0;attach=1058

SB said JM obtained the bags of cannabis when she visited JB.  Or JB would bring it with him when he visited JM:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=b5grts1elec1r0v02voqfpdqa5&action=dlattach;topic=529.0;attach=1655

JM said after the initial sale of £100 worth she didn't continue as SB didn't like her bringing it into the house:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfuuuf8jl1kh73q5tor8d78496&action=dlattach;topic=283.0;attach=1056

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfuuuf8jl1kh73q5tor8d78496&action=dlattach;topic=283.0;attach=1058

[Holly Goodhead]

JM said she had been smoking marijuana (she usually refers to it as cannabis) before JB's 10pm tel call on 6th Aug:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=0d8hpgt6l84mcfsnsu1qb3lma2&action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1106

I guess she could have been smoking it in her own bedroom but I wouldn't mind betting all occupants were hanging out in the communal lounge which was a haze of cannabis smoke

 

               




                                                           

[Holly Goodhead]

I find it odd Julie has never mentioned the case since 1986 when almost every other major witness has. Relatives and Police always make an appearance in documentaries yet Julie does not.

I would have thought she has had plenty of offers thou

Apart from the NoW article post trial I have read JM contributed an article in the female mag 'She' although I haven't seen any evidence for this.

As far as I can see all these low budget tv docu/dramas feature the same faces:

- Relatives, usually DB
- BW
- Low ranking officers eg DS Jones, PS Bews, DI Miller, DI Cook
- Tabloid journalists eg Kieron Saunders, Michael Fielder
- Local Essex Journalists eg reasonably good looking guy in CTSB and an aesthetically challenged guy in Behind Mansion Walls or 'Killing Mum and Dad'.  The titles of these low budget/docu dramas say it all!

We never hear from high ranking officers or experts such as Dr Vanezis, Malcolm Fletcher, John Hayward (now deceased) or Dr Ferguson.

Consequently these low budget docu/dramas can offer little, if anything, by way of evidential value.

[david1819]

Apart from the NoW article post trial I have read JM contributed an article in the female mag 'She' although I haven't seen any evidence for this.

As far as I can see all these low budget tv docu/dramas feature the same faces:

- Relatives, usually DB
- BW
- Low ranking officers eg DS Jones, PS Bews, DI Miller, DI Cook
- Tabloid journalists eg Kieron Saunders, Michael Fielder
- Local Essex Journalists eg reasonably good looking guy in CTSB and an aesthetically challenged guy in Behind Mansion Walls or 'Killing Mum and Dad'.  The titles of these low budget/docu dramas say it all!

We never hear from high ranking officers or experts such as Dr Vanezis, Malcolm Fletcher, John Hayward (now deceased) or Dr Ferguson.

Consequently these low budget docu/dramas can offer little, if anything, by way of evidential value.

I really want to see the ITV documentary made in 2003/2004 when AE takes them round WHF

It's not on the Internet Anywhere

[Myster]

I really want to see the ITV documentary made in 2003/2004 when AE takes them round WHF

It's not on the Internet Anywhere

Email ITV and ask them to stream it... what's the title?

[david1819]

Email ITV and ask them to stream it... what's the title?

Real Crime Season 4 Episode 1 Jeremy Bamber

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Crime#Season_04_-_2004


Who in ITV do I ask? the only episodes online seem to be from people that have happened to tape/record them.

Someone must have it somewhere

[Holly Goodhead]

Real Crime Season 4 Episode 1 Jeremy Bamber

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Crime#Season_04_-_2004


Who in ITV do I ask? the only episodes online seem to be from people that have happened to tape/record them.

Someone must have it somewhere

Oh David *sighs* must be your high cheekbones that have made me push the boat out for you 

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/content/itn-source-archive-footage

[Caroline]

Oh David *sighs* must be your high cheekbones that have made me push the boat out for you 

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/content/itn-source-archive-footage

The picture is actually Bad Pitt.

[david1819]

The picture is actually Bad Pitt.

Its not even a picture lol