Interpreting the facts using a different paradigm

[mercury]

Could you explain to me what "look at what Kate is wearing - lower half.  Shouldn't those be evidence?" means ?  I am not certain what that means.

Black and white checked trousers alerted to by cadaver dog, or not, according to some, same trousers worn on plane on trip back to uk

[Robittybob1]

Black and white checked trousers alerted to by cadaver dog, or not, according to some, same trousers worn on plane on trip back to uk

I thought we had all agreed that the alerts on the clothing, and on Cuddle Cat was all a ruse being played on Kate  by GA to force a confession but it didn't work.  In my theory there is a reason they had a cadaver in the Scenic but it wasn't MM's cadaver.  So their clothing could easily have had cadaver odour on it too but it doesn't mean Kate knew that MM died of an accident in apartment G5A and Kate and Gerry got rid of MM's body as G. Amaral was offering Kate in that confession related deal.

[mercury]

You asked a question , I answered it, Im not going to get dragged into wild  theories

[Robittybob1]

You asked a question , I answered it, Im not going to get dragged into wild  theories

Fair enough, but if they were genuine alerts to Madeleine's cadaver the PJ would have kept the clothing items and Cuddle Cat as evidence but they didn't, so that tells us those items weren't actual evidence.

[mercury]

Fair enough, but if they were genuine alerts to Madeleine's cadaver the PJ would have kept the clothing items and Cuddle Cat as evidence but they didn't, so that tells us those items weren't actual evidence.

As I explained in post 128, cadaver scent detected by a dog is ethereal, on its own it doesnt count as evidence

[Robittybob1]

As I explained in post 128, cadaver scent detected by a dog is ethereal, on its own it doesnt count as evidence

True and I agree, but if they examined the clothing they may have found DNA from the cadaver on it or tissue on it.
So going beyond the ethereal and back into the evidential. 
I hereby theorise that someone from OC must have informed GA that the Mccanns had picked up the cadaver and had it in the Scenic.  So any further testing was only going to expose the real culprits so it was conveniently not done.

[mercury]

I dont know what dna from a cadaver means
If they found MMs dna on the trousers it wouldnt be suspicious per se
None of that has anythng to do with the car, and I dont understand your comments about it and GA either
Need to go for an hour or so

[Robittybob1]

I dont know what dna from a cadaver means
If they found MMs dna on the trousers it wouldnt be suspicious per se
None of that has anythng to do with the car, and I dont understand your comments about it and GA either
Need to go for an hour or so

A person in NZ was convicted of murder when they found brain tissue on his clothing.  If they found tissue on Kate's trousers she would have some explaining to do and if the DNA was extracted from the center of that tissue and it was MM then she would have had real difficulty explaining that.  Were the items held and checked?

[Robittybob1]

I dont know what dna from a cadaver means
If they found MMs dna on the trousers it wouldnt be suspicious per se
None of that has anythng to do with the car, and I dont understand your comments about it and GA either
Need to go for an hour or so

Note : I'm only using the following example of a murderer sawing up his victim as an example.
If you sawed a cadaver into pieces you would get DNA from a cadaver (each piece of sawdust would be alerted to with an EVRD and also each piece would yield a DNA profile from the originator).
It would be suspicious if the DNA was attached to a piece of sawdust embedded in the trousers.
A single hair could be explained by contact prior to death, but not pieces of the victims tissue.
How would quantities of Madeleine's DNA get into the car hire 3 weeks after the event of her going missing?

[mercury]

Right
I dont think anyone anywhere has ever thought madeleine was sawed to death by her parents or in front of her parents to splatter brains in their pants, but carry on searchng

[misty]

Right
I dont think anyone anywhere has ever thought madeleine was sawed to death by her parents or in front of her parents to splatter brains in their pants, but carry on searchng

I can see what Robitty is alluding to in this instance, Had Madeleine suffered a head injury & cerebral fluid leaked out onto clothing, Eddie would have indicated but Keela would not have as she only alerts to blood.
Robitty is quite correct that the clothing marked by Eddie should have been retained as evidence & subjected to further forensic testing.

[Robittybob1]

Right
I dont think anyone anywhere has ever thought madeleine was sawed to death by her parents or in front of her parents to splatter brains in their pants, but carry on searching

Did you notice I said "Note: I'm only using the following example of a murderer sawing up his victim as an example."  I wasn't implying anything like that happened to the cadaver in this case.  But we are told by Goncalo Amaral she was thawed and hence it is possible that the fluid that would leak from a body during the thawing process could have got onto Kate's clothing.  Had the clothing been examined and fluid of this type found, Kate would have to explain how thawed human cadaver fluid got onto her clothing, and the truth may have got out.
Therefore they weren't kept so the truth remained hidden.

[Robittybob1]

Emma Knight in the kid's bedroom and Kate didn't want her there.  What was she doing invading Kate's privacy?  Then said to be away. No statement given till a year later.
That does not add up to being a transparent investigation imo.

[Robittybob1]

Did the first two GNR officers attending the callout at PDL get a call from the British Consulate?
1.  Yes this was confirmed
2. Yes but it was never confirmed.
3. No,  this was confirmed.  It was a hoax call.
4. No, this was not confirmed though.  GA thought this was standard practice.

I would guess it was a hoax call originating in the OC confines to stand down the GNR officers because they had turned up unexpectedly quick.
Situation described below.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

He also refers to a situation when he was searching outside, near the pool, that someone from the OC whom he cannot identify, passed him a mobile phone, as a British Consulate employee who spoke in Portuguese, wanted to talk to the authorities. Upon speaking to him, he told him that the investigation and subsequent actions were under the responsibility of the PJ.

[pegasus]

(snip) ,,,Did the first two GNR officers attending the callout at PDL get a call from the British Consulate?
... I would guess it was a hoax call originating in the OC confines to stand down the GNR officers because they had turned up unexpectedly quick ... (snip)

They were certainly phoning mobs in PDL at that time so why invent that someone was impersonating them?