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Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1530 on: October 07, 2018, 09:10:13 AM »
I hate to disappoint you but I didnt have a plan.  If something that I dont like is put to me then I will respond. I didnt expect or want you to be involved in Tabak's case just pointing out your selective answering and points that you make while trying to attack anyone with a point!

I have to say your points are far more enjoyable when you are talking about possible miscarriage of justices cases than people who you used to know. My view, dont expect you to agree again of course!

It was good to debate the Tabak case with you for a while... normal service resumed  8**8:/:

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Reminds me of the double bind tactic  8((()*/
« Last Edit: October 07, 2018, 09:23:25 AM by Stephanie »

Offline jixy

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1531 on: October 07, 2018, 10:24:24 AM »
make of if what you want. you talk in riddles which is fun for you. Im glad its fun for you. I was talking about Tabak a guilty man who killed a young woman...It was never about you though your view on the case did raise some valid points.

This thread isnt about me. Think over time ive said all there is to say on Tabak Nine will battle on im sure
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1532 on: October 07, 2018, 10:40:18 AM »
*%87

Reminds me of the double bind tactic  8((()*/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

Yes.... That what has been happening on here all the time,... I thought i was losing the plot...
As the images unwind, like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind......

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1533 on: October 07, 2018, 04:57:50 PM »
Dr Vincent Tabak was a extremely competent computer user, more than competent, he had an understanding that is greater than most people, the pic i've attached shows Dr Vincent Tabaks Qualifications and Computer skills..

Under Activities it describes that Dr Vincent tabak: Programming Active Server Pages (ASP)

(Did you understand that, because I didn't)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Server_Pages

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

I don't understand why his Lawyer didn't direct the Jury as to Dr Vincent Tabaks knowledge of Computing and his ability to program computer, Dr Tabak Mentions Computer Science.

So..Why didn't he show them what Asp programming was, why didn't he show the Jury Computer Script, most wouldn't be able to understand it, but it would have created doubt as to why Someone who is so computer literate would leave damning evidence on his computer, or just get rid of the hard drive.

Why Not?  He helped the Prosecution

Had the Jury know of Dr Vincent Tabaks abilities they might have found the Prosecutions claim difficult to believe...

If he is computer literate and had Committed this crime before he went to Holland, why didn't he take the hard drive with him, dump it somewhere.
(Apparently he was clever enough to dump a pizza and sock)

He clearly has a great understanding and education in Computing and would be extremly aware of what could be perceived as damaging evidence against him..
 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/nov/02/vincent-tabak-trial-tweeted

So did the computer evidence show Intention?

Because that was the only EVIDENCE they had as a way to persuade the JURY that Dr Vincent Tabak intended to murder...

If he Intended to Murder someone that evening, why didn't he just walk the streets?

He had been out earlier... He had a keen Interest in Photography..

Why Didn't his Defence mention Dr Vincent Tabak had opportunity that evening to MURDER anyone!!

If searches cannot prove intent,.. How could the Prosecution have proven Dr Vincent Tabak Intended to do anything

Like I originally posted.. when I saw Dr Vincent Tabak on the stand, I saw a man just going through the motion's..

A man that was not being defended.... A man that could see his Defence was not trying to help him,(IMO) was not challenging anything that the Prosecution placed in front of a JURY..

He just sat there as this supposed Evidence was being piled upon him..

So I can clearly understand Dr Vincent Tabak sobbing in court.. He knew the situation was hopeless, because nobody was there to help him..


No Character Witness's called to testify to his nature
No Tanja Morson called to testify to their relationship or Dr Vincent Tabak's behaviour.
No Christopher Jefferies to say whether or not he had indeed seen Dr Vincent Tabak that evening or moved the car.
No Family to testify what A loving son he is and they couldn't understand him being charged.
No employer to testify as to his Character.
No friends to testify to any knowledge they had good/or bad
Even his Lawyer had nothing good to say about him...
That's when I thought his Goose was cooked, If Your Lawyer is against you.. You must be Guilty.. (IMO)

No Neighbours who knew him to say:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/10/28/joanna-yeates-murder-tria_n_1063591.html

Infact he didn't have anything going for him...

Because people wanted him to be the Monster..

And if you call that a fair Trial.... In My Opinion It isn't..

Though our country prided itself on being Fair Open and Honest..

In My Opinion this Trial was far from being a FAIR FIGHT...

You clearly weren't in court because if you were you wouldn't be suggesting fake news exists in this case

Moreover, psychopaths are very adept at imitating emotions such as remorse or guilt in the courtroom if they believe it will mitigate their punishment.[/i]
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201605/understanding-psychopathic-criminals

"The parents of landscape architect Joanna Yeates have come face to face for the first time in court with their daughter's killer.

David and Teresa Yeates were at Bristol crown court for a pre-trial hearing for Vincent Tabak. The couple have not seen Tabak in person in court before as the defendant has appeared by video link from prison at the previous hearings they attended.

The couple arrived and left court hand in hand, accompanied by two police officers.

Tabak, a Dutch engineer, has admitted the manslaughter of Yeates, 25, but denies her murder. The charge states that Tabak "unlawfully killed" Miss Yeates between December 16 and December 19.

Four security guards escorted Tabak into the dock of courtroom six. The greying 33-year-old wore glasses, a white shirt, blue tie and dark suit for the 30-minute hearing before Judge Martin Picton.

Yeates's parents sat in the second row of the public gallery and Mrs Yeates occasionally looked over her shoulder towards Tabak.

Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who led the Avon and Somerset investigation, sat behind the barristers and immediately in front of the defendant.

Tabak, who sat hunched in the dock, spoke only once. The clerk asked him: "Are you Vincent Tabak?" He replied: "Yes I am."

The hearing was being held to finalise arrangements for the four-week trial, which is due to begin on October 4 before Mr Justice Field.

The case was adjourned until the trial and Tabak was remanded into custody. Miss Yeates, who lived in Clifton, Bristol, disappeared on December 17 after going for Christmas drinks with colleagues.

Her body was found on a verge in a lane in Failand, north Somerset, on Christmas Day
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/sep/20/joanna-yeates-vincent-tabak-trial

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Offline jixy

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1534 on: October 08, 2018, 09:45:56 AM »
BS aside, what to you think causes people like Nine to persist in their erroneous beliefs regarding Tabaks confession?

i really dont know... as i have said before I cant knock her dedication though I will never understand it
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1535 on: October 19, 2018, 08:15:04 PM »
There are many people who have falsely confessed to a crime they haven't committed.

Who are the "many people" you refer to? And did they confess on the stand at trial like Tabak?

What case is comparable to this one?

I've no idea who has been putting ideas into your head and where your conspiracy theories stemmed from?

Though I think it would be helpful to you if you could attempt to unravel where it all began and what set you off on this path?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2018, 08:32:55 PM by Stephanie »

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1536 on: October 21, 2018, 05:58:54 PM »
There are many people who have falsely confessed to a crime they haven't committed.

I'm hoping an answer to this is forthcoming at some point

See my above post

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1537 on: October 22, 2018, 05:33:36 PM »
I have doubts about whether Vincent Tabak is actually guilty.  Yes, I know he may well be, and I am not accusing anyone else, but I have questions, that I hope some of you may be able to answer:
Firstly, yes, I know he made a confession, but how do we know he didn't make it under duress?

Why was it necessary  to employ a team of fire engines and a crane to retrieve Joanna's body? (The Daily Mail carried a photo of this at the time).

Why was Tabak's DNA not found in Joanna's flat, if (as was claimed in court) he killed her there?

What evidence is there that he had her body in the boot of his car when he went to ASDA?

How do we know exactly what he searched on his computer, and do computer searches necessarily make one a murderer? (I think the police would have a field day if they looked at mine!!)

Why, once the police had Tabak's DNA, (or so they said) ,did they not release Christopher Jefferies immediately?

Why did neither Jefferies, nor Tanja Morson, nor Tabak's boss, appear in court to testify as to his character?

Ok, so these are some of my questions.  I would be happier about Tabak's conviction, had there been better evidence, for instance, CCTV images showing him following Joanna home, or evidence of him buying cleaning materials in ASDA, rather than crisps!  To me, he does not seem a very likely murderer, and I am not saying this merely because he has a PhD, as of course I realise that someone with a PhD can commit murder!  But, really, a sexually motivated murder committed by someone who had only ever had one girlfriend, and who just happened to be the next door neighbour?

A lawyer called Sally Ramage, who was in court during the trial, has written an interesting account of it. Don't remember the link, but if you google Sally Ramage/Vincent Tabak, you will find it.

Any comments?????

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Sally Ramage claims Vincent Tabak has mental health issues. How would she know that?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1538 on: October 22, 2018, 05:35:43 PM »
Hi Holly

Well, I cant help my niggles and doubts now, can I??

I remember (I'm probably a lot older than you!) a time when anyone who thought the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six might be innocent, were considered absolutely nuts!!  And, yet----------

Of course Chris Jefferies, although totally innocent, could have been stitched up and convicted!  If that kind of thing never happened, there would be no miscarriages of justice at all.

So, which cases, where there is real doubt,  do you think I ought to be looking at ?

Was just hoping that somebody could help me with the questions that I asked in my first post.

When did you get made a forum moderator Helen from Devon?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1539 on: October 22, 2018, 05:39:19 PM »
I'm surprised he hasn't asked to serve his sentence in Holland as the regime there has many more benefits.

http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2011/08/resort-like-prisons-of-netherlands.html

Why do you think he's still in a UK jail then John?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1540 on: October 22, 2018, 05:40:56 PM »
I haven't been around tonight, and I see some of you have been very busy!!!!

Kayden, it is true that Nine and I do not know each other-----at all.   Also, I will state (although nobody has actually asked me) that I am in no way connected with anyone involved in the case!

I believe Jixy is right about people on the sex offenders register not being eligible for the Early Removal Scheme (ie back to one's home country).  I'm not posting a link, because (I am ashamed to say) I do not know how to copy and paste links----not very good at IT, I'm afraid.  However, I found it on the prison reform website.

If VT is serving out his sentence "in peace" because he knows he is guilty, then all well and good.  If, however, he is not guilty, there is NO WAY he will be serving out his sentence in peace!

We don't actually know that his family and girlfriend all believe he is guilty, even though we don't hear about them, and even though they all issued apologies/condolences to the Yeates family after the trial (which I thought was odd,  as one doesn't usually hear about the families of convicted criminals doing that).  There has been very little reported in the press since the trial (apart from the child porn conviction), so we don't know exactly what is going on.  I suspect there is a reason why the press is being so quiet, but then, I am a suspicious person!  I also strongly suspect there is a reason (other than believing in VT's guilt) why his family and friends are not protesting his innocence.

I also suspect that it is in the interests of the powers that be over here to keep VT in this country.  If he was back in Holland, he might just start talking, and so might his family.  Just my opinion, of course!  I will be very interested to see what happens when he has done his 20 years---whether they will find a reason to keep him in prison for longer, or whether they let him return to Holland.  I hope I live long enough to find out.

By the way, not all the forums have been taken down:  Websleuths and Bowland Central have good ones, and they make very interesting reading from back in 2011.

I have no faith in VT's confession, I am afraid, and I think his conviction is very dodgy, as the evidence does not stand up.  However, there is very little that I can do about it. I only hope, that one day, somebody with some real power questions this case.

BTW, a few people have suggested that I investigate "more worthwhile" cases where there may be a MOJ.  Apart from one person suggesting I look at Mark Alexander (which I am doing), nobody has suggested which ones they think are worth looking at. Well????????

So you agree with John then Helen?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1541 on: October 22, 2018, 05:41:56 PM »
AAAGH!!!   Sorry, I meant Mark Alexander!

What are your thoughts on him then Helen?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1542 on: October 22, 2018, 05:43:12 PM »
If I can take you back to the posts concerning Vincent Tabak's confession to the cleric for a moment.  It has been suggested that the cleric somehow broke a confidence by reporting the confession.  If he did so what?

The breaking of a confidence between a prisoner and a cleric is not something which can overturn a conviction on a technicality.  Tabak saw the need to confess to what he had done, no doubt he has a conscience and needed to confess to somebody.

On another point, Tabak has freely admitted to manslaughter although unfortunately for him the CPS was having none of it and brought a murder charge against him.  If Tabak accidentally strangled Miss Yeates he should have accepted his fate instead of attempting to hide her body and evade justice.

Do,you think he had a conscience then John?

What's makes you think this?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1543 on: October 22, 2018, 05:44:08 PM »
Yes, and more's the pity.

If he hadn't pleaded guilty, we would have had a better trial, with ALL the evidence and more witnesses!!

Can you explain that to Nine

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1544 on: October 22, 2018, 05:58:36 PM »
What are your thoughts on him then Helen?
Have just (last night) acquired the dossier, and an reading through it. I am swaying towards his innocence, but who knows, I could change my mind!